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I am a window/distribution clerk (SSA). My first job with the post office was a temporary position at a remote encoding center (REC). I was fresh out of high school. I was trying to to college and work which worked out pretty good at first. Then I had the oppurtunity to become a "career employee" and jumped at it. Being a mailhanlder was a very physical and draining job, since we would be required to work 12 hour days six days a week. I dropped out of school obviously which was the second worst mistake of my life. When I was first hired at my current office -I though wow this is going to be great-I will be able to talk to actual customers at the window service and I'll be doing something different instead of the "factory feel" of the plant. I had a decent boss who considered my suggestions, treated me with respect, and actually was fair. He obviously was with the "good ole boys club". The way the post office has changed just in the last few years is so depressing. During my first five years I did not love my job, but I didn't truly hate it either. The last few years have been pure hell. Under my current mangement, I have never felt so "little" in my life. There is no respect. We have had such a turn-over in employees transferring, retiring early, and just quiting in the last couple of years. You would think upper management would question that, but who am I kidding, they all share the same views. My happy going personality and views have changed dramatically during this time. Anyway, I could go on and on. I have seven years in now and I feel that I have wasted all that time. I have NO desire to be a part of our cruel management. I have finally taken a large step in pursuing another career. Yes the post office pays very well and has decent benefits but you deserve it after during your time in that place. The worst mistake I have ever made was taking that damn post office exam.

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I have been with the USPS since it was the USPO . . . about 27 years. If I had it all to do over again, I think I'd drive a bus!! We have a boss who makes Lerch look sane, a budget from District that's insane, and more nasty employees that you can't deal with than I've ever seen before. We're trying to serve 4500 po boxes with a staff of 8. This is nuts! We've got 1 person off on SL, 2 of us are on Light duty, and all the rest are working 57+ hours a week. They just cut our workhour budget by 4000 hours, and they're screaming about our OT! Once I retire (after 35 years, because the age + years thing,) I don't care if I never see another stamp as long as I live!

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I feel your anguish, although I have never worked at the post office. I was terminated from a job that I really didn't care for either.They actullay did me a favor in doing that.
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However, what is is like working as a mail sorter? I took the test once but never got a reply. And, if working at the post office is so unrewarding, how come people go in herds to take the test every year? Is the test that nesessary to work at the post office? I ask these questions because they treat candidates for the Postal test like they're about to enter some grandious opportunity and the proctors are mostly really pushy and condescending.
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To Quinton-People are always eager to get a Postal job because they don't beleive how bad it really is.They don't have a clue!Management is made up of a bunch of monsters.I have less than 4 years to go towards retirement but I honest to God don't know if I will phyiscally,emotionally or psychologically will be able to survive.I despereately need to switch to another Fed.job because these people are making me sicker day by day.That's not a matter of speech.But since my sick leave record is now less than perfect I don't qualify for even a different station.I can only pray I can survive without being fired for ,of all things ,being sick.By the way being a 10 point Vet. is not helping me in anyway as far as how they abuse me(and all my fellow workers).I need your prayers if you beleive in praying.

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Coming into the post office was the biggest mistake of my life! I was in the federal government for years, and I transferred into the post office for the wrong reason, greed. My brother was already in the post office and told me that it was a lot of crap to put up with, but the money was great. So off I went like a fool and took the test. The first day, I wanted to quit, but I stayed. That was 12 years ago, and I am still there. Since then my health is failing, the hours are rough, and the mangement and co-workers are dangerous. My advise for anybody who is even thinking about going into the post office, FORGET IT! I had the common sense to go back to school, and my only regret is that I should have started sooner.

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I found the courage to leave the postal service after 16 years of feeling like a prisoner to the most unstructered, mismanaged, and depressing place I have ever seen or been in my life. It would take hours and hours to explain to someone how the post office effects the lives of the employees and still that person would still not understand. Please think twice before ruining your life if you are considering employment with the postal service and God bless those of you still struggling to survive until retirement!

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I'm thinkin about applying for the postal job because like everyone else it's because the good pay. I also ask if the postal job is so bad why does every year everyone goes and takes the test,usually when I apply the openings are filled. The reason I'm doing this is for my baby I'm a teen mother who didn't graduate or seek for her career yet,even though I hear these stories I'm just doind it for my baby so that he has everything he wants. If you can be of any help I would appreciated alot. Thanks a millionb for your article.

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I have to agree with the other comments by other Postal Workers. The hours are awful, it is RARE that you work anything other than nights, weekends or holidays. The mail moves regardless of whether or not we are open to buy stamps. There isn't any sense of accomplishment because the more you do (or the harder you work) the more they give you to do. Management is for the crummy workers, it gives them something to do. Managers think it is boot camp and treat you like it. Our benefits are good but compared to what some companies offer, it is crummy. Sick leave is accrued at 4hrs every 2 weeks, if you actually have the gall to use it, they question it. Vacation leave is accured starting at 4hrs every 2 weeks, hope you get the leave in before someone else thinks of it or you will be working that day. Forget getting a spontaneous day off, if they don't have someone to replace you, they won't allow you to take leave. There is no disability insurance unless you purchase a separate policy. Maternity leave is taken by a combination of sick leave and annual leave, what ever you have is what you get paid for. Heaven help you if you don't have any leave and get pregnant by accident. Like everyone else, the amount of work continues to grow while the amount of employees to handle it continues to shrink. The machinery that is supposed to make sorting faster is antiquated before it gets to us. The general public has absolutely no clue how HUGE the whole postal system is and continues to crucify us in the press, when they have no idea of how the whole thing works. If you want to deliver a letter from Maine to Hawaii for the same 34 cents that we get, give it a try!! All the other countries charge 60 to 80 cents WITHIN their own country and they are all privatized. Not to mention that they are not nearly as secure as us. It's broke and needs fixing but I don't think that privatization is the answer.
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I am an almost 13 years at the Post Office. For 19 years, used to work in heavy manufacturing. I thought I had worked for a bunch of stupid managers, but they were "brain surgeons" compared to the ones I see in the post office. Most of them cannot manage or wish to do anything. We have to many useless reports to fill out because of some "seat warmers" need to feel important, and even if there is some purpose for the numbers they can't figure out how to use them anyway. We are a dumping ground for vets that do not want work and are looking towards retirement from the day they are hired and work like they are retired, and the postal service owes them a job. When I was in the private sector I used to respect vets, but now all I see these people as a bunch of whiney babies. If it wasn't for the customers I serve and the decent pay I would quit.

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I started out my "career" with the USPS as a letter carrier for 9 years, switched over to being a clerk for 5 years, and now am a custodian. When I first started out with the USPS I really enjoyed being a letter carrier. As the years progressed things began to change and I could see that the powers that be were trying to put pressure on the workers to be more productive. I could sense that the service was slowly being undermined in the name of "productivity". The old Post Office was being replaced by a bunch of numbers mad productivity managers bent on doing whatever they had to, at any expense, to reach their "numbers" goal. This new business oreinted Post Office didn't agree with me at all. I started smoking pot heavily and drinking to cope with the added pressures and incompetant management. I moved to another state and started work as a clerk. Things were pretty good untill we got a real bad "numbers" manager who I didn't care for at all. I decided to give up my "career" as a postal clerk and tranfered over to the maintenance dept. as a custodian. I dropped down 2 levels of pay and am having a difficult time supporting my family now. If it wasn't for some occasional overtime I would have to have to find another job.<br />
If you have a chance to find something else I plead with you to find a job with another company. You will never, ever be appreciated at the Post Office.

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I am an almost 13 years at the Post Office. For 19 years, used to work in heavy manufacturing. I thought I had worked for a bunch of stupid managers, but they were "brain surgeons" compared to the ones I see in the post office. Most of them cannot manage or wish to do anything. We have to many useless reports to fill out because of some "seat warmers" need to feel important, and even if there is some purpose for the numbers they can't figure out how to use them anyway. We are a dumping ground for vets that do not want work and are looking towards retirement from the day they are hired and work like they are retired, and the postal service owes them a job. When I was in the private sector I used to respect vets, but now all I see these people as a bunch of whiney babies. If it wasn't for the customers I serve and the decent pay I would quit.

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We are a dumping ground for vets that do not want work and are looking towards retirement from the day they are hired and work like they are retired, and the postal service owes them a job. When I was in the private sector I used to respect vets, but now all I see these people as a bunch of whiney babies. You have got to be absolutley kidding me, dont hate the player, hate the game.. I'm a vet and proud of it once you've been there and did what we had to do, you would have a totally different outlook, because us vets give you that right to whine,us vets give you that right to a nice fat paycheck!!!!!US vets give you that right to a nice free life!!! God Bless America

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We are a dumping ground for vets that do not want work and are looking towards retirement from the day they are hired and work like they are retired, and the postal service owes them a job. When I was in the private sector I used to respect vets, but now all I see these people as a bunch of whiney babies. You have got to be absolutley kidding me, dont hate the player, hate the game.. I'm a vet and proud of it once you've been there and did what we had to do, you would have a totally different outlook, because us vets give you that right to whine,us vets give you that right to a nice fat paycheck!!!!!US vets give you that right to a nice free life!!! God Bless America

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I also work for the postal service .I work as a processor in a plant where the management has no common sense. They treat employees with little respect. Yes the pay is good but the stress is honestly not worth it . The plant where I work in Augusta ,Ga is a payton place . The married supervisors are all sleeping together. The plant manager is always in some type of sex scandel. Things go on there that would not be believed. I often wonder where the postal inspectors are when you need them.

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I am taking the test soon and am curious about the pay/pay csale. I have worked for a bunch of heethens before so I think I can deal with the mismanagement. I am an Army vet but I only have 0%service connected. Everyone talks about the good pay, but how good?

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We are a dumping ground for vets that do not want work and are looking towards retirement from the day they are hired and work like they are retired, and the postal service owes them a job. When I was in the private sector I used to respect vets, but now all I see these people as a bunch of whiney babies. You have got to be absolutley kidding me, dont hate the player, hate the game..

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I work for the USPS at a P&DC in Washington, there are two main P&DC (Processing & Distribution Centers) in Washington, one in Seattle and one in Spokane.

I am a Casual Mailhandler which has a host of complications that the "Regular" employees don't have to even worry about. For one, I make a wage which is ten dollars an hour with an eighty cent night time differential, so I basically make eleven dollars an hour. A career (or as I refer to them "a regular") starts out making roughly thirteen dollars an hour at my location, where a TE (temporary employee) makes roughly fourteen an hour.

My wage isn't particularly the issue since I feel its fairly competitive for my location and I don't think I could do much better in the private sector. My issue is job security. As a casual I have no Postal Union securities, I can loose my job at any point in time, if a supervisor is having a bad day it is possible for me to be on the street. To make it worse, according to the contract(s) a casual can only be a mailhandler for six months in a year and only a clerk for six months in a year. Which means, in theory, I could work year around switching every January and July, however, depending on what upper management is in the mood for, I have a definite possibility of loosing my job every six months. It is hard to pay bills when you don't know if your going to be able to pay the rent 'cause you don't know if you are going to have a job the next month. I have already lost my job once because of such stupidity, and was unemployed for several months.

Technically, I am not a full time employee. "Regulars" don't understand what I mean when I say this, so let me explain. Even though I may work 40-70 hours in a given week, I have no benefits. When I say no benefits, I mean no benefits. No sick leave, no annual time off, no health, no retirement, no 401k, nothing. As a casual I have no benefits, and no union support.

In my particular situation I happen to be a full time student. So not only do I have to work graveyards, I am usually attending school during the daytime, and when I'm not attending school I have to be studying or doing some form of homework. No rest for the wicked.

As a casual, being in the situation where I can be fired at any time, it means I have to do everything and anything that is necessary to get the job done. Basically said, I have to work three to ten times harder then any regulars, cause if I don't, I'm unemployed and they will hire some other casual who is willing to do it until they get so drained they are forced to quit or are laid off at the next convenient time slot. Oh, and when I say laid off, I'm not talking about a good two months notice or a two week notice. The last group of lay offs happened in December. The casuals were informed on December 23 that there last day would be December 26, oh, and by the way, Merry Christmas! Yet if I quit without giving a two week notice, bye bye good reference, doesn't matter I busted my ass for God knows how long for them, no sir! You didn't give us a two week notice, even though last time we ditched you on the side of the road we gave you the HONOR of giving you four days notice. No sir, if you don't give us a two week notice we can't give you a good referal, you certainly wouldn't be elligble for rehire. No no no.
You might say I'm a little bitter.

So while I'm busting my ass for roughly half to a third (once you count in annual, sick leave, and the benefits its probably a quarter) of a "regulars" wage, not knowing if I'm going to have a job tomorrow, I get the pleasure of watching regulars stand around all night because the MANAGEMENT is to candy ass to do anything about it. Whether or not they don't have the authority to do anything about it because of the blasted union, or whether they just lack the balls, I'm not sure. Probably a little of both. The union backs up the worthless workers so you have to ask exactly what is the supervision suppose to do, eh?

Theres a specific individual at our facility that does absolutely nothing. When I see him move more then five bags in a night, I realize he really over extended himself. And I'm not exagerating, I'm not joking, and this is in no way funny. Five bags, and I'm very serious.

So where is the accountability? Why isn't supervision doing anything about this? Why isn't the union standing up and saying that they need to fire some of these people. Lazy ass bastards are taking away from the benefits of other workers and pulling down the company as a whole. If you fire the POSs and hire good workers you could employ a far less percentage of individuals and save the company a considerable amount of money. AND MAYBE WE WOULD HAVE THE DAMN DEFICIT!

So, you, regulars, when your bitching about how bad you have it or how much shit you have to deal with, just remember that you have a dependable job, with government benefits, and as long as people are mailing shit you have job security.

I don't even want to have a job at the USPS long term, I'm just trying to pay the bills until I get done with college and I don't even have that security.

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I FEEL YOUR PAIN

WELL I'M A PTF MAILHANDLER. I STARTED IN 1998 AS A PTF CLERK WHERE I WORKED IN AUTOMATION. SO TWO YEARS LATER I WANTED MORE MONEY AND HOURS AND TO MAKE REGULAR FASTER I SWITCHED TO A MAILHANDLER. I'VE BEEN AT THE P&DC HERE IN AKRON, OHIO FOR 6 YEARS NOW. I WILL SAY I MAKE WAY MORE MONEY AS A MAILHANDLER THAN A CLERK, WHEN I FIRST STARTED I MADE 35 THOUS NOW AS A MAILHANDLER I MADE 60 THOUS THIS YEAR! I'M PROUD OF MYSELF BECAUSE GUESS WHAT! I DON'T DO SHIT!!! I WORKED MY ASS OF AS A CLERK ON THAT MACHINE AND I HATED IT BECAUSE YOU 'RE CONFINED AND CAN'T GO ANYWHERE OR DO ANYTHING. AS A MAILHANDLER YOU HAVE MORE FREEDOM AND I'VE LEARNED THESE PAST 3 YEARS THAT THESE PEOPLE GET AWAY WITH MURDER! I'VE WORKED NIGHTS ALL SIX YEARS AND I DO LOVE IT CUZ I'M A NIGHT OWL, BUT LET ME TELL YOU MY JOB IS GRAVY AND I COULDN'T SEE MYSELF ANYWHERE ELSE MAKING THIS KIND OF MONEY! LET ME TELL YOU THE GUYS ON 2ND SHIFT WOULD OFTEN LEAVE THE JOB ON THE CLOCK AND HANG OUT AT THE LOCAL BARS FOR AN HOUR OR TWO, AND WOULDN'T GET CAUGHT! I'VE TAKEN NAPS BEFORE AND THEY DON'T CARE!! JUST AS LONG AS I GET MY WORK DONE. YOU CAN DISAPPEAR FOR AND HOUR OR SO AND NO ONE WOULD PAGE YOU. IF SO, THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE LOOKOUTS-- SOMEONE TO CALL YOU ON YOUR CELL TO TELL YOU TO GET YOUR ASS IN THE BUILDING.!! IT'S CRAZY. I WOULD NEVER GO INTO SUPERVISION BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL STUPID. THEY TRY TO SET YOU UP FOR NO REASON, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE FMLA IF YOU USE IT THEY WILL TRY TO GET YOU BACK IN ANOTHER WAY---MAINLY WORKWISE. THEN THERE ARE THE CRAZY CO WORKERS, IT'S PLENTY OF THEM. I ONLY HAVE ONE FRIEND THAT I HANG AROUND AND THAT'S IT CAN'T REALLY TRUST ANYONE ELSE. THEN BEING A FEMALE, I'M SEXUALLY HARRASSED EVERY SINGLE DAY! THERE IS NOT A DAY THAT GOES BY WITHOUT SOMEONE MAKING A COMMENT. I JUST IGNORE THEM AND GO ABOUT MY BUSINESS BECAUSE THEY ARE MORONS! BUT THROUGH IT ALL IT'S HARD TO GET FIRED THERE I'VE SEEN IT!!! AT LEAST PEOPLE WHO GET INTO FIGHTS OR HAVE ARGUMENTS BUT IF YOU STEAL THEY WILL FORCE YOU TO QUIT WHICH IS SO DUMB THEN THEY WANT TO FIRE YOU OVER SOMETHING ELSE. BUT WHERE CAN I GO MAKING THIS KIND OF MULA? SO I'M CONTENT AND I PLAN TO RETIRE FROM THIS PLACE. I HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO I'M ONLY 34 YEARS OLD. SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO FEEL MY PAIN I DEFINITELY FEEL YOURS AND JUST TRY TO STICK IT OUT. OH AND BY THE WAY THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO MAKE 10 OF US PTF MAILHANDLERS REGULAR IN JAN. I WILL LET YOU KNOW IF THIS HAPPENS.

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OH I ALMOST FORGOT THESE PEOPLE MAKE ME SO SICK THAT I'VE DECIDED TO GET POSTAL B ON MY LICSENSE PLATES! THAT MEANS I WANT TO LET ANY AND EVERYONE KNOW I COULD GO POSTAL SO I USED IT FOR MY USER NAME! EVERYONE GETS A KICK OUT OF IT, THEY SAY WHAT DOES THE "B" STANDS FOR? I KINDLY TELL THEM BITCH!

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Im applying for a job at the us Post office

Im applying for a job at the post office under general maintenance, is it really that bad?

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I work for the USPS at a P&DC in Washington, there are two main P&DC (Processing & Distribution Centers) in Washington, one in Seattle and one in Spokane.

I am a Casual Mailhandler which has a host of complications that the "Regular" employees don't have to even worry about. For one, I make a wage which is ten dollars an hour with an eighty cent night time differential, so I basically make eleven dollars an hour. A career (or as I refer to them "a regular") starts out making roughly thirteen dollars an hour at my location, where a TE (temporary employee) makes roughly fourteen an hour.

My wage isn't particularly the issue since I feel its fairly competitive for my location and I don't think I could do much better in the private sector. My issue is job security. As a casual I have no Postal Union securities, I can loose my job at any point in time, if a supervisor is having a bad day it is possible for me to be on the street. To make it worse, according to the contract(s) a casual can only be a mailhandler for six months in a year and only a clerk for six months in a year. Which means, in theory, I could work year around switching every January and July, however, depending on what upper management is in the mood for, I have a definite possibility of loosing my job every six months. It is hard to pay bills when you don't know if your going to be able to pay the rent 'cause you don't know if you are going to have a job the next month. I have already lost my job once because of such stupidity, and was unemployed for several months.

Technically, I am not a full time employee. "Regulars" don't understand what I mean when I say this, so let me explain. Even though I may work 40-70 hours in a given week, I have no benefits. When I say no benefits, I mean no benefits. No sick leave, no annual time off, no health, no retirement, no 401k, nothing. As a casual I have no benefits, and no union support.

In my particular situation I happen to be a full time student. So not only do I have to work graveyards, I am usually attending school during the daytime, and when I'm not attending school I have to be studying or doing some form of homework. No rest for the wicked.

As a casual, being in the situation where I can be fired at any time, it means I have to do everything and anything that is necessary to get the job done. Basically said, I have to work three to ten times harder then any regulars, cause if I don't, I'm unemployed and they will hire some other casual who is willing to do it until they get so drained they are forced to quit or are laid off at the next convenient time slot. Oh, and when I say laid off, I'm not talking about a good two months notice or a two week notice. The last group of lay offs happened in December. The casuals were informed on December 23 that there last day would be December 26, oh, and by the way, Merry Christmas! Yet if I quit without giving a two week notice, bye bye good reference, doesn't matter I busted my ass for God knows how long for them, no sir! You didn't give us a two week notice, even though last time we ditched you on the side of the road we gave you the HONOR of giving you four days notice. No sir, if you don't give us a two week notice we can't give you a good referal, you certainly wouldn't be elligble for rehire. No no no.
You might say I'm a little bitter.

So while I'm busting my ass for roughly half to a third (once you count in annual, sick leave, and the benefits its probably a quarter) of a "regulars" wage, not knowing if I'm going to have a job tomorrow, I get the pleasure of watching regulars stand around all night because the MANAGEMENT is to candy ass to do anything about it. Whether or not they don't have the authority to do anything about it because of the blasted union, or whether they just lack the balls, I'm not sure. Probably a little of both. The union backs up the worthless workers so you have to ask exactly what is the supervision suppose to do, eh?

Theres a specific individual at our facility that does absolutely nothing. When I see him move more then five bags in a night, I realize he really over extended himself. And I'm not exagerating, I'm not joking, and this is in no way funny. Five bags, and I'm very serious.

So where is the accountability? Why isn't supervision doing anything about this? Why isn't the union standing up and saying that they need to fire some of these people. Lazy ass bastards are taking away from the benefits of other workers and pulling down the company as a whole. If you fire the POSs and hire good workers you could employ a far less percentage of individuals and save the company a considerable amount of money. AND MAYBE WE WOULD HAVE THE DAMN DEFICIT!

So, you, regulars, when your bitching about how bad you have it or how much shit you have to deal with, just remember that you have a dependable job, with government benefits, and as long as people are mailing shit you have job security.

I don't even want to have a job at the USPS long term, I'm just trying to pay the bills until I get done with college and I don't even have that security.

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I currently am working as a casual "mail handler". I go to work at a very early hour, work hard, which I don't mind, it is very physical and then after a couple of hours I am done. I get paid a very low wage of $9.00 and required to work six days a week. There is no appreciation, no friendliness, just do your work and go home. My intentions are to pass the exam and become a career employee. I thought through this time of puratory there would be redemption at the end of the tunnel but from what I have been hearing that isn't the way it is. Anyone out there know the answer. Will it go on my record that I if I quit I will not be eligible for a "real postal position", because this low paying, unappreciated, couple of hours a day job is not cutting it. At a normal rate with benefits, etc I think I could bear it.

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IF YOU ARE ON THE REGISTER YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT, I WAS A CASUAL FOR 4 YEARS AND JUST QUIT 5 MONTHS AGO. I JUST GOT A LETTER TODAY FOR A PTF POSITION. IT IS NOT REGULAR BUT IT'S SOMETHING.

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thank you for responding to my inquiry. I am not on the register yet. I am still waiting to take the exam. I thought if I quit this casual position it would go on record and disqualify me. Congradulations, you are a pdf, I hope you become a career employee soon.

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