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My wife and I are taking an eastern caribbean cruise in April. It is
our first real cruise. We have never been to four of the five islands
we are visiting. Rather than paying for the usual excursion packages
(or relying on taxis and/or buses, etc.), we would like to know if it
is possible and practical to rent a car for the day when we visit the
following islands:

St Thomas
St Martin
Antigua
St Lucia
Barbados

The main issue is that we are dedicated beach people, but we also want
to really see the islands in their entirety and do some shopping as
well. Cost is not a big factor. I am more concerned about the
availability of car rental places near where the ship will dock and
the practicality of making it all work. Has anyone else taken this
approach? Or is it asking for too much trouble?

Thanks in advance for any and all help!!!

George 8-)

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George & Karen Harris <nospamever@nospamever.net> wrote:

>My wife and I are taking an eastern caribbean cruise in April. It is
>our first real cruise. We have never been to four of the five islands
>we are visiting. Rather than paying for the usual excursion packages
>(or relying on taxis and/or buses, etc.), we would like to know if it
>is possible and practical to rent a car for the day when we visit the
>following islands:
>
>St Thomas
>St Martin
>Antigua
>St Lucia
>Barbados
>
I am only familiar with St. Thomas and Barbados. They both drive on
the left if that is an issue for you.

I think if price is not an object that I would hire a taxi for the day
in Barbados. There are some that are licensed to give tours IIRC,
plus they could get you out of Bridgetown to some of the outlying
shopping places (I recommend the Best of Barbados shops). We rented a
car, but we were there for the week and could afford the time to get
lost. Then do what sightseeing around the island that you wanted to do
and end of shopping or beaching.

I might do the same in St. Thomas. Although actually in St. Thomas
I'd go to St. John for the beach and fit in whatever shopping I wanted
somewhere in the afternoon.

>The main issue is that we are dedicated beach people, but we also want
>to really see the islands in their entirety and do some shopping as
>well. Cost is not a big factor. I am more concerned about the
>availability of car rental places near where the ship will dock and
>the practicality of making it all work. Has anyone else taken this
>approach? Or is it asking for too much trouble?
>
>Thanks in advance for any and all help!!!
>
>George 8-)
>

grandma Rosalie

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Harris <nospamever@nospamever.net> writes
>My wife and I are taking an eastern caribbean cruise in April. It is
>our first real cruise. We have never been to four of the five islands
>we are visiting. Rather than paying for the usual excursion packages
>(or relying on taxis and/or buses, etc.), we would like to know if it
>is possible and practical to rent a car for the day when we visit the
>following islands:
>
>St Thomas
>St Martin
>Antigua
>St Lucia
>Barbados
>
>The main issue is that we are dedicated beach people, but we also want
>to really see the islands in their entirety and do some shopping as
>well. Cost is not a big factor. I am more concerned about the
>availability of car rental places near where the ship will dock and
>the practicality of making it all work. Has anyone else taken this
>approach? Or is it asking for too much trouble?
>
>Thanks in advance for any and all help!!!
>
>George 8-)

I couldn't agree with you more about trying to avoid the "obligatory"
cruise excursions.

Our first Caribbean cruise was on Sagafjord - owned at the time by
Cunard. We had two sons - one 8 and one 12 - so there was a challenge.
On STT we took the "minibus taxi tour" to Magens Bay - and that was the
last time we did it. After that we waited until all the others had left
then strolled down to the quayside, spoke to a taxi driver and told him
that we had X hours (say 9) and had 2 kids with us. So we wanted to see
the main sights which were practical - avoiding the main block of our
fellow cruisers, the boys had to learn something, we wanted to eat local
and we wanted some time on a beach. We then asked for a price. On every
single occasion it worked brilliantly. We saw all kinds of things, ate
great local food (_almost_ always), the boys learned loads, met super
people and in general had an absolute ball. Things are so geared up for
the cruise surge - and I have no doubt they do a good job but it's not
for us - that it rather distorts the actuality of life on the islands.
Our boys still talk about their visit to a sugar cane plantation and
factory - with distillery attached, on Barbados and being shown where
the best beach is on Antigua. Almost starting a fun war among a group of
taxi drivers on Antigua by making provocative remarks about the standard
of local cricket etc. We've been back to al the islands (except DR)
since, plus quite a few more, and have taken in the very few "must see"
sights missed the first time (Harrison's Caves/Barbados).

So - regardless what you do, you're thinking along the right lines. Go
independent - it's much more fun - and, coincidentally, often
considerably cheaper.

Hope this helps - have a great time.

Tom W.
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 03:17:33 GMT, Rosalie B.
<gmbeasley@mindspring.com> wrote:
>I am only familiar with St. Thomas and Barbados. They both drive on
>the left if that is an issue for you.

It could be! I had quite a bit of trouble with that in the Bahamas
many years ago! 8-)

>I think if price is not an object that I would hire a taxi for the day
>in Barbados. There are some that are licensed to give tours IIRC,
>plus they could get you out of Bridgetown to some of the outlying
>shopping places (I recommend the Best of Barbados shops). We rented a
>car, but we were there for the week and could afford the time to get
>lost. Then do what sightseeing around the island that you wanted to do
>and end of shopping or beaching.

I think I left the wrong impression by stating that money was no
object. Makes me sound like Donald Trump, which is all wrong.
Rather, I was making the point that we were not trying to cheap-out
here by not taking the cruise-sponsored excursions. On the other
hand, 8 to 9 hours tying up a taxi & driver sounds like it could be
very expensive... far more expensive than a rental car... but I could
be all wrong here. Any idea what that might cost including his/her
lunch and tip?

The concept of hiring a taxi for the day sounds really nice (assuming
you found the right driver), but we also like the idea of being
independent and even the idea of getting a little lost at times while
exploring (if that makes any sense). It's all part of our fun. We
have always enjoyed our vacations much more when we had a rental car.

>I might do the same in St. Thomas. Although actually in St. Thomas
>I'd go to St. John for the beach and fit in whatever shopping I wanted
>somewhere in the afternoon.

Actually, we might want to rent a car on St. John if that is possible!

George 8-)

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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:46:54 +0100, Tom Withycombe
<tww@etml.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>I couldn't agree with you more about trying to avoid the "obligatory"
>cruise excursions.
>
>Our first Caribbean cruise was on Sagafjord - owned at the time by
>Cunard. We had two sons - one 8 and one 12 - so there was a challenge.
>On STT we took the "minibus taxi tour" to Magens Bay - and that was the
>last time we did it. After that we waited until all the others had left
>then strolled down to the quayside, spoke to a taxi driver and told him
>that we had X hours (say 9) and had 2 kids with us. So we wanted to see
>the main sights which were practical - avoiding the main block of our
>fellow cruisers, the boys had to learn something, we wanted to eat local
>and we wanted some time on a beach. We then asked for a price. On every
>single occasion it worked brilliantly. We saw all kinds of things, ate
>great local food (_almost_ always), the boys learned loads, met super
>people and in general had an absolute ball. Things are so geared up for
>the cruise surge - and I have no doubt they do a good job but it's not
>for us - that it rather distorts the actuality of life on the islands.
>Our boys still talk about their visit to a sugar cane plantation and
>factory - with distillery attached, on Barbados and being shown where
>the best beach is on Antigua. Almost starting a fun war among a group of
>taxi drivers on Antigua by making provocative remarks about the standard
>of local cricket etc. We've been back to al the islands (except DR)
>since, plus quite a few more, and have taken in the very few "must see"
>sights missed the first time (Harrison's Caves/Barbados).
>
>So - regardless what you do, you're thinking along the right lines. Go
>independent - it's much more fun - and, coincidentally, often
>considerably cheaper.
>
>Hope this helps - have a great time.
>
>Tom W.

Thanks Tom. Sounds like another vote for "independent" but not
necessarily via rental car. Taxis seem to be the preferred choice
here... and maybe we hadn't given that concept enough consideration,
mainly because of the wide and varied places we wanted to visit.

What we specifically want to avoid is taking a taxi somewhere fairly
remote... and then trying to get the same taxi or a different taxi to
pick us up later and take us back to the ship. That seems too
limiting and risky... and we are personally aware of a few horror
stories in that regard. Hence the question about rental car
availability.

George 8-)

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George & Karen Harris <nospamever@nospamever.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 03:17:33 GMT, Rosalie B.
><gmbeasley@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>I am only familiar with St. Thomas and Barbados. They both drive on
>>the left if that is an issue for you.
>
>It could be! I had quite a bit of trouble with that in the Bahamas
>many years ago! 8-)
>
I think Barbados is much easier to drive in than the Bahamas
especially if you can handle a roundabout driving on the left.
Bridgetown might be more of a problem, but out in the countryside it's
not so bad. On St. Thomas, the traffic flow is pretty slow, and
usually there's cars on the road to remind you which side to be on.
Problems are mostly with making a turn, especially a left turn IIRC

>>I think if price is not an object that I would hire a taxi for the day
>>in Barbados. There are some that are licensed to give tours IIRC,
>>plus they could get you out of Bridgetown to some of the outlying
>>shopping places (I recommend the Best of Barbados shops). We rented a
>>car, but we were there for the week and could afford the time to get
>>lost. Then do what sightseeing around the island that you wanted to do
>>and end of shopping or beaching.
>
>I think I left the wrong impression by stating that money was no
>object. Makes me sound like Donald Trump, which is all wrong.
>Rather, I was making the point that we were not trying to cheap-out
>here by not taking the cruise-sponsored excursions. On the other

OK - I agree about the cruise sponsored excursions. I think they
would be more expensive than hiring a taxi for the day. Actually it
would only be for part of the day if you wanted to shop or do the
beach too.

In addition to taxis, on Barbados there are also about three bus
services which are relatively cheap, but may take a bit more time than
actually taking a taxi. The national bus transport system offers
regular services to all parts of the island. These buses are blue with
a yellow stripe and their destination is marked above the windscreen.
The cost of a bus journey is a flat rate of BD$1.50 taking you
wherever you wish to go and you must have the right change when
boarding.

Smaller privately owned yellow mini buses or ZR vans usually run
shorter routes with a more frequent service. Their destination is
displayed in the bottom left-hand corner of the windscreen and is also
painted on the side of the bus. The cost of a journey is again BD$1.50

>Although the atmosphere on the yellow buses is very laid back (usually blasting out reggae or local radio station) and you can find one every five minutes or so, the drivers are not as strictly regulated as you would expect in the UK or other European co
untries (or many other places in the world). Driving is often fast and hazardous. If you feel unsafe then get off and find another - or wait for a blue bus.

Bus stops are usually marked In to City or Out of City (meaning
Bridgetown). In Bridgetown the main transport board terminals are on
Fairchild Street for buses mainly to the south and east, or Lower
Green for the north via the west coast. The main terminals to catch a
minibus are located in Probyn Street, River Road and Cheapside in
Bridgetown.

>hand, 8 to 9 hours tying up a taxi & driver sounds like it could be
>very expensive... far more expensive than a rental car... but I could
>be all wrong here. Any idea what that might cost including his/her
>lunch and tip?
>
Rate per mile or kilometre
1. The rate to be charged for hire
(a) per mile or part thereof shall not exceed $ 2.50
(b) per kilometre or part thereof shall not exceed $ 1.50

Rate per hour
The rate to be charged is a flat rate of $32.00 per hour.

Rate for Waiting Time
1. The rate per hour to be charged for waiting time shall not exceed
(a) between 6:00 a.m. and 10:00 p.m. $ 7.00
(b) between 10:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m. $ 8.00

This may be in BD (Barbados dollars) One US$=2BD. I can't tell from
the website.

http://www.toursbarbados.com/shore_tours.cfm
is one website where they have specifically cruise ship tours
and so does http://www.axses.com/encyc/bta/tours/fostince/index.htm
but
http://conciergebarbados.com/islandtours.htm has a more reasonable
sounding Mercedes Benz Mini Bus Tour
US$25.00 Per Person, for a 3 hour tour
Must be 6 persons or over. Maximum of 12 persons.
Scenic Route - West Coast, North Point, Bathsheba, East Coast,
St.John's Church.

Taxis in Barbados are available 24 hours a day and are licensed only
to carry 1 to 5 passengers. . They are numerous and easily
identifiable by their "Z" number plate. Taxis are not metered, but
their fares are regulated by law. Make sure you establish the fare for
the trip before you enter the vehicle.

Barbados car rentals require a valid driver's license and a major
credit card to reserve. Rates average US$100 per day (for a week),
which usually includes insurance and unlimited mileage.

>The concept of hiring a taxi for the day sounds really nice (assuming
>you found the right driver), but we also like the idea of being
>independent and even the idea of getting a little lost at times while
>exploring (if that makes any sense). It's all part of our fun. We
>have always enjoyed our vacations much more when we had a rental car.
>
We usually have a car too (except in Bermuda of course). BTW the
cruise ship terminal has a lot of shopping in Barbados.

>>I might do the same in St. Thomas. Although actually in St. Thomas
>>I'd go to St. John for the beach and fit in whatever shopping I wanted
>>somewhere in the afternoon.
>
>Actually, we might want to rent a car on St. John if that is possible!
>
It is possible to rent a car on St. John, but in that case there's
even less reason to do it than on St. Thomas IMHO. We stayed on St.
John for 4 days without a car, and also without taking a taxi much.
We did get stuck out at the sugar mill once, but the NPS guide gave us
a lift to Cinnamon.

When you go to St. John, you will go by ferry. You can do the same
thing as someone else has suggested - go to the taxi drivers and ask
for a tour of the island, ending up on Cinnamon or at Trunk Bay for
the beach. There are taxis there on a regular basis for folks such as
you to get back to the ferry dock.


grandma Rosalie

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We've done the rental car thing in St. Martin/Sint Maartin, quite successfully.
The island is easily drivable, once out of Phillipsburg the traffic is light andsignage is good.

I'd not do it in Antiqua. Roads are in relatively poor condition, signage all
but non-existant, and driving on the left side of the road, which would be,
together too much for me to feel comfortable. We hired a taxi driver for half
a day, which puts some money into the local economy (much needed on this island)
instead of into a multi-national, and cost signifiantly less than an excursion
would have, plus we went places that the excursion did not go (or at different
times than the ships did.)

You can read about it on my web site, find the Southern Caribbean Cruise in
2002.

Julie

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George & Karen Harris <nospamever@nospamever.net> wrote:

> Thanks Tom. Sounds like another vote for "independent" but not
> necessarily via rental car. Taxis seem to be the preferred choice
> here... and maybe we hadn't given that concept enough consideration,
> mainly because of the wide and varied places we wanted to visit.

When we rented a car in Antiqua, I think it cost us $60 US. That was for an
early morning drive to a beach for snorkelling, a drive back at lunch time
to the ship, then the whole afternoon to tour the island. That included
a tip.


> What we specifically want to avoid is taking a taxi somewhere fairly
> remote... and then trying to get the same taxi or a different taxi to
> pick us up later and take us back to the ship. That seems too
> limiting and risky... and we are personally aware of a few horror
> stories in that regard. Hence the question about rental car
> availability.

Negotiate with the driver, and pay for all of it at the end. If you are paying
for round trip, at the end, they will come back for you. Our driver was
fine about that.

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Juliana L Holm <jholm@osf1.gmu.edu> wrote:
> We've done the rental car thing in St. Martin/Sint Maartin, quite successfully.
> The island is easily drivable, once out of Phillipsburg the traffic is light andsignage is good.

For what it is worth, the rental car place in Sint Maartin was close enough
to walk to from the dock, but it was a long walk (maybe a little less than a mile.)

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Harris <nospamever@nospamever.net> writes
>On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:46:54 +0100, Tom Withycombe
><tww@etml.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>I couldn't agree with you more about trying to avoid the "obligatory"
>>cruise excursions.
>>
>>Our first Caribbean cruise was on Sagafjord - owned at the time by
>>Cunard. We had two sons - one 8 and one 12 - so there was a challenge.
>>On STT we took the "minibus taxi tour" to Magens Bay - and that was the
>>last time we did it. After that we waited until all the others had left
>>then strolled down to the quayside, spoke to a taxi driver and told him
>>that we had X hours (say 9) and had 2 kids with us. So we wanted to see
>>the main sights which were practical - avoiding the main block of our
>>fellow cruisers, the boys had to learn something, we wanted to eat local
>>and we wanted some time on a beach. We then asked for a price. On every
>>single occasion it worked brilliantly. We saw all kinds of things, ate
>>great local food (_almost_ always), the boys learned loads, met super
>>people and in general had an absolute ball. Things are so geared up for
>>the cruise surge - and I have no doubt they do a good job but it's not
>>for us - that it rather distorts the actuality of life on the islands.
>>Our boys still talk about their visit to a sugar cane plantation and
>>factory - with distillery attached, on Barbados and being shown where
>>the best beach is on Antigua. Almost starting a fun war among a group of
>>taxi drivers on Antigua by making provocative remarks about the standard
>>of local cricket etc. We've been back to al the islands (except DR)
>>since, plus quite a few more, and have taken in the very few "must see"
>>sights missed the first time (Harrison's Caves/Barbados).
>>
>>So - regardless what you do, you're thinking along the right lines. Go
>>independent - it's much more fun - and, coincidentally, often
>>considerably cheaper.
>>
>>Hope this helps - have a great time.
>>
>>Tom W.
>
>Thanks Tom. Sounds like another vote for "independent" but not
>necessarily via rental car. Taxis seem to be the preferred choice
>here... and maybe we hadn't given that concept enough consideration,
>mainly because of the wide and varied places we wanted to visit.
>
>What we specifically want to avoid is taking a taxi somewhere fairly
>remote... and then trying to get the same taxi or a different taxi to
>pick us up later and take us back to the ship. That seems too
>limiting and risky... and we are personally aware of a few horror
>stories in that regard. Hence the question about rental car
>availability.
>
>George 8-)

Sorry - I possibly misled you. I understand your meaning in taking a
taxi - we hired it for the day, or at least as long as we were on
island. I forgot - we didn't do it on St. Lucia as we had friends meet
us at what was then La Toc (owned by Cunard) - now Sandals I believe,
and take us around for the day but otherwise the strategy worked
brilliantly. St. Lucia is a spectacular island - head south. But it will
possibly be more expensive to take a taxi there just because it is quite
a drive down to the south western art where the Pitons etc. are located.

Regardless - have fun.

Tom
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:36:56 GMT, Rosalie B.
<gmbeasley@mindspring.com> wrote:

{Giant Snip!!!}
>grandma Rosalie

Thanks very much Rosalie for all the information! We have had to
print it out in order to study and digest it all.

Many Thanks,
George & Karen 8-) :-)

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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:45:35 +0000 (UTC), Juliana L Holm
<jholm@osf1.gmu.edu> wrote:
>Negotiate with the driver, and pay for all of it at the end. If you are paying
>for round trip, at the end, they will come back for you. Our driver was
>fine about that.

I guess that is one way to guarantee an "on time" pick-up... but is
that truly realistic? If I were a taxi driver, I would want some
assurance that my fares were not going to leave on another taxi.

Our biggest fear is being left out at some remote beach with no way to
get back to the ship on time. As we have helped folks before in
exactly that predicament, I know how easily it can happen.

George 8-)

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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:42:27 +0100, Tom Withycombe
<tww@etml.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Sorry - I possibly misled you. I understand your meaning in taking a
>taxi - we hired it for the day, or at least as long as we were on
>island. I forgot - we didn't do it on St. Lucia as we had friends meet
>us at what was then La Toc (owned by Cunard) - now Sandals I believe,
>and take us around for the day but otherwise the strategy worked
>brilliantly. St. Lucia is a spectacular island - head south. But it will
>possibly be more expensive to take a taxi there just because it is quite
>a drive down to the south western art where the Pitons etc. are located.
>Regardless - have fun.

I think the bottom line is that we should probably play it by ear...
and not necessarily with the same approach on every island. I am
getting a lot of advice from long-time cruisers at work who insist
that renting a car is all wrong for any island except St Martin (which
we already know like the backs of our hands anyway). On the other
hand, no one is recommending the cruise line-sponsered excursions on
any island. Given that situation, taxis are fast becoming the default
form of transportation... with it only remaining to be seen whether or
not it is worthwhile to hire a taxi for the full day... or by the
trip... or with some drop-off and pick-up arrangement.

Thanks again,
George 8-)

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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:41:31 +0000 (UTC), Juliana L Holm
<jholm@osf1.gmu.edu> wrote:

>We've done the rental car thing in St. Martin/Sint Maartin, quite successfully.
>The island is easily drivable, once out of Phillipsburg the traffic is light andsignage is good.
>
>I'd not do it in Antiqua. Roads are in relatively poor condition, signage all
>but non-existant, and driving on the left side of the road, which would be,
>together too much for me to feel comfortable. We hired a taxi driver for half
>a day, which puts some money into the local economy (much needed on this island)
>instead of into a multi-national, and cost signifiantly less than an excursion
>would have, plus we went places that the excursion did not go (or at different
>times than the ships did.)
>
>You can read about it on my web site, find the Southern Caribbean Cruise in
>2002.
>
>Julie

Thanks for the good advice, especially in regard to Antigua. And
please rest assured that I would try to rent from a local concern if
at all possible.

What a great website you have! I am jealous of all your travels!

Thanks again,
George 8-)

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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:46:55 +0000 (UTC), Juliana L Holm
<jholm@osf1.gmu.edu> wrote:

>Juliana L Holm <jholm@osf1.gmu.edu> wrote:
>> We've done the rental car thing in St. Martin/Sint Maartin, quite successfully.
>> The island is easily drivable, once out of Phillipsburg the traffic is light andsignage is good.
>
>For what it is worth, the rental car place in Sint Maartin was close enough
>to walk to from the dock, but it was a long walk (maybe a little less than a mile.)

We have not been back to St Martin since 1998, so I am way out of date
with my local knowledge. We don't recall any obvious car rental
places in or around downtown Phillipsburg. That's part of the reason
for my original post... to see if any have materialized since our last
visit.

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George & Karen Harris <nospamever@nospamever.net> wrote:
> We have not been back to St Martin since 1998, so I am way out of date
> with my local knowledge. We don't recall any obvious car rental
> places in or around downtown Phillipsburg. That's part of the reason
> for my original post... to see if any have materialized since our last
> visit.

We did this in 2002. It was either Budget or Dollar, and we set it up
ahead of time. The rental car place was in back of another establishment
along the road that leads out of the dock area. There was a sign in front,
but it would have been easy to miss.

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