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whats the problem, they still had another 3 engines.

the worst part was being stuck in manchester.

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whats the problem, they still had another 3 engines.

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whats the problem, they still had another 3 engines.

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whats the problem, they still had another 3 engines.

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whats the problem, they still had another 3 engines.

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whats the problem, they still had another 3 engines.

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s k y n e w s wrote:
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...1499342,00.html
>
> Flying faulty jumbo across Atlantic saves BA £100,000
> By Ben Webster

This has interesting repercussions on fleet choices.

On a twin engine plane, failure of an engine would hace required, by
law, the pilot to land at the NEAREST suitable airport.

With a 4 engine plane, loss of an engine requires pilot to land at the
nearest "convenient" airport, giving pilot lots of decision latitude.

If engine failures are rare, this probably doesn't make much of a
difference. But if they are common, then euro airlines will start to
prefer 4 engined planes over twins.#

Passengeres probably were never in an unsafe situation, but this
incident sure gives BA a very bad safety image and there will be plenty
of blame around on the new compensation thing.

BTW, does anyone know if Lufthansa had to make the big payouts because
FRA was shutdown by the Bush regime's visit , forcing calncellation of
over 70 flights ? Or was it declared out of its control and thus
allowing LH to not be held responsible for cpassenger compensation ?

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"nobody" <nobody@nobody.org> wrote in message
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> s k y n e w s wrote:
> > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...1499342,00.html
> >
> > Flying faulty jumbo across Atlantic saves BA £100,000
> > By Ben Webster
>
> This has interesting repercussions on fleet choices.
>
> On a twin engine plane, failure of an engine would hace required, by
> law, the pilot to land at the NEAREST suitable airport.
>
> With a 4 engine plane, loss of an engine requires pilot to land at the
> nearest "convenient" airport, giving pilot lots of decision latitude.
>
> If engine failures are rare, this probably doesn't make much of a
> difference. But if they are common, then euro airlines will start to
> prefer 4 engined planes over twins.#
>
> Passengeres probably were never in an unsafe situation, but this
> incident sure gives BA a very bad safety image and there will be plenty
> of blame around on the new compensation thing.
>
> BTW, does anyone know if Lufthansa had to make the big payouts because
> FRA was shutdown by the Bush regime's visit , forcing calncellation of
> over 70 flights ? Or was it declared out of its control and thus
> allowing LH to not be held responsible for cpassenger compensation ?

What's your story? This is starting out to be a discussion on BA & engine
failure. You add at the end of your post, a question, that will slowly turn
this thread into a political, US bashing subject. I'll have to kill file
this thread in a day or two. Way to go.

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"nobody" <nobody@nobody.org> wrote in message
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> s k y n e w s wrote:
> > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...1499342,00.html
> >
> > Flying faulty jumbo across Atlantic saves BA £100,000
> > By Ben Webster
>
> This has interesting repercussions on fleet choices.
>
> On a twin engine plane, failure of an engine would hace required, by
> law, the pilot to land at the NEAREST suitable airport.
>
> With a 4 engine plane, loss of an engine requires pilot to land at the
> nearest "convenient" airport, giving pilot lots of decision latitude.
>
> If engine failures are rare, this probably doesn't make much of a
> difference. But if they are common, then euro airlines will start to
> prefer 4 engined planes over twins.#
>
> Passengeres probably were never in an unsafe situation, but this
> incident sure gives BA a very bad safety image and there will be plenty
> of blame around on the new compensation thing.
>
> BTW, does anyone know if Lufthansa had to make the big payouts because
> FRA was shutdown by the Bush regime's visit , forcing calncellation of
> over 70 flights ? Or was it declared out of its control and thus
> allowing LH to not be held responsible for cpassenger compensation ?

What's your story? This is starting out to be a discussion on BA & engine
failure. You add at the end of your post, a question, that will slowly turn
this thread into a political, US bashing subject. I'll have to kill file
this thread in a day or two. Way to go.

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"nobody" <nobody@nobody.org> wrote in message
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> s k y n e w s wrote:
> > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...1499342,00.html
> >
> > Flying faulty jumbo across Atlantic saves BA £100,000
> > By Ben Webster
>
> This has interesting repercussions on fleet choices.
>
> On a twin engine plane, failure of an engine would hace required, by
> law, the pilot to land at the NEAREST suitable airport.
>
> With a 4 engine plane, loss of an engine requires pilot to land at the
> nearest "convenient" airport, giving pilot lots of decision latitude.
>
> If engine failures are rare, this probably doesn't make much of a
> difference. But if they are common, then euro airlines will start to
> prefer 4 engined planes over twins.#
>
> Passengeres probably were never in an unsafe situation, but this
> incident sure gives BA a very bad safety image and there will be plenty
> of blame around on the new compensation thing.
>
> BTW, does anyone know if Lufthansa had to make the big payouts because
> FRA was shutdown by the Bush regime's visit , forcing calncellation of
> over 70 flights ? Or was it declared out of its control and thus
> allowing LH to not be held responsible for cpassenger compensation ?

What's your story? This is starting out to be a discussion on BA & engine
failure. You add at the end of your post, a question, that will slowly turn
this thread into a political, US bashing subject. I'll have to kill file
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"nobody" <nobody@nobody.org> wrote in message
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> s k y n e w s wrote:
> > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...1499342,00.html
> >
> > Flying faulty jumbo across Atlantic saves BA £100,000
> > By Ben Webster
>
> This has interesting repercussions on fleet choices.
>
> On a twin engine plane, failure of an engine would hace required, by
> law, the pilot to land at the NEAREST suitable airport.
>
> With a 4 engine plane, loss of an engine requires pilot to land at the
> nearest "convenient" airport, giving pilot lots of decision latitude.
>
> If engine failures are rare, this probably doesn't make much of a
> difference. But if they are common, then euro airlines will start to
> prefer 4 engined planes over twins.#
>
> Passengeres probably were never in an unsafe situation, but this
> incident sure gives BA a very bad safety image and there will be plenty
> of blame around on the new compensation thing.
>
> BTW, does anyone know if Lufthansa had to make the big payouts because
> FRA was shutdown by the Bush regime's visit , forcing calncellation of
> over 70 flights ? Or was it declared out of its control and thus
> allowing LH to not be held responsible for cpassenger compensation ?

What's your story? This is starting out to be a discussion on BA & engine
failure. You add at the end of your post, a question, that will slowly turn
this thread into a political, US bashing subject. I'll have to kill file
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> whats the problem, they still had another 3 engines.
>
> the worst part was being stuck in manchester.
>

The airliner was crippled . . . so much so that it never reached proper
cruising altitude. Plus, starting the voyage with 3 engines meant that only
ONE MORE ENGINE could fail before the plane would drop like a rock right out
of the sky. Also, with one engine doing the work of two, it was then more
likely that the plane would experience further engine failure(s). Plus, the
plane did not have enough fuel to reach it's destination with three engines.
So it was forced to divert to Manchester, ASSUMING it could make it THAT
FAR, which was not guaranteed. Before the decision was made to fly to
England, it was just as likely that the airliner would have run out of fuel
somewhere over the ocean. The pilots had to have known that the fuel load
would likely be inadequate to cross the ocean. It was a huge gamble with
hundreds of lives in the balance. At BEST. -Dave

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"Service Tech" <servicetech1@netzero.com> wrote:
> I'll have to kill file this thread in a day or two.

I'm reading this in rec.travel.europe. If you've ever posted anything
there it wasn't interesting enough to notice, so why should we care?

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I'm reading this in rec.travel.europe. If you've ever posted anything
there it wasn't interesting enough to notice, so why should we care?

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you think the pilots gambled with their own lives ?

the 'drop like a rock' statement shows your ignorance, or perhaps you
work for a tabloid newspaper.

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you think the pilots gambled with their own lives ?

the 'drop like a rock' statement shows your ignorance, or perhaps you
work for a tabloid newspaper.

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> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...1499342,00.html
>
> Flying faulty jumbo across Atlantic saves BA £100,000
> By Ben Webster
>
> Turning back after engine failure would have left airline liable to
> pay out for delays under new rules on compensation
>

Flying on three engines has been going on for years. One of my favorite
stories was about Air Iceland (I think that is what they were called then)
and the pilot saying that while they could have made the rest of the
journey on three engines they couldn't do it on two so they made an
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> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...1499342,00.html
>
> Flying faulty jumbo across Atlantic saves BA £100,000
> By Ben Webster
>
> Turning back after engine failure would have left airline liable to
> pay out for delays under new rules on compensation
>

Flying on three engines has been going on for years. One of my favorite
stories was about Air Iceland (I think that is what they were called then)
and the pilot saying that while they could have made the rest of the
journey on three engines they couldn't do it on two so they made an
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> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...1499342,00.html
>
> Flying faulty jumbo across Atlantic saves BA £100,000
> By Ben Webster
>
> Turning back after engine failure would have left airline liable to
> pay out for delays under new rules on compensation
>

Flying on three engines has been going on for years. One of my favorite
stories was about Air Iceland (I think that is what they were called then)
and the pilot saying that while they could have made the rest of the
journey on three engines they couldn't do it on two so they made an
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> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...1499342,00.html
>
> Flying faulty jumbo across Atlantic saves BA £100,000
> By Ben Webster
>
> Turning back after engine failure would have left airline liable to
> pay out for delays under new rules on compensation
>

Flying on three engines has been going on for years. One of my favorite
stories was about Air Iceland (I think that is what they were called then)
and the pilot saying that while they could have made the rest of the
journey on three engines they couldn't do it on two so they made an
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> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...1499342,00.html
>
> Flying faulty jumbo across Atlantic saves BA £100,000
> By Ben Webster
>
> Turning back after engine failure would have left airline liable to
> pay out for delays under new rules on compensation
>

Flying on three engines has been going on for years. One of my favorite
stories was about Air Iceland (I think that is what they were called then)
and the pilot saying that while they could have made the rest of the
journey on three engines they couldn't do it on two so they made an
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> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...1499342,00.html
>
> Flying faulty jumbo across Atlantic saves BA £100,000
> By Ben Webster
>
> Turning back after engine failure would have left airline liable to
> pay out for delays under new rules on compensation
>

Flying on three engines has been going on for years. One of my favorite
stories was about Air Iceland (I think that is what they were called then)
and the pilot saying that while they could have made the rest of the
journey on three engines they couldn't do it on two so they made an
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> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...1499342,00.html
>
> Flying faulty jumbo across Atlantic saves BA £100,000
> By Ben Webster
>
> Turning back after engine failure would have left airline liable to
> pay out for delays under new rules on compensation
>

Flying on three engines has been going on for years. One of my favorite
stories was about Air Iceland (I think that is what they were called then)
and the pilot saying that while they could have made the rest of the
journey on three engines they couldn't do it on two so they made an
emergency landing

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