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Another misleading web article in the mercury disinformation
campaign, from the grand dame of faux public interest front
groups.

"A Look Back at the Great (Unfounded) Health Scares of 2004"

by Dr. Elizabeth Whelan, 12/29/04

Dr. Elizabeth M. Whelan is president of the American Council
on Science and Health.
Her email address is acsh@acsh.org.

See "false claim" #6: Mercury in seafood threatens health.
See "false claim" #1: Childhood vaccines cause autism.

The sponsoring website, Tech Central Station, is owned by a
conglomerate -- DCI Group, L.L.C.
On its website TCS states that it is sponsored by Merck and
PhRMA, among others:

"Tech Central Station is supported by sponsoring
corporations that share our faith in technology and free
markets. Smart application of technology - combined with pro
free market, science-based public policy - has the ability
to help us solve many of the world's problems, and so we are
grateful to AT&T, Avue Technologies, The Coca-Cola Company,
ExxonMobil, General Motors Corporation, Intel, McDonalds,
Merck, Microsoft, Nasdaq, PhRMA, and Qualcomm for their
support."

Dr. Elizabeth M. Whelan resume, circa 1986 - from tobacco
litigation
http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2044...amp;end_page=19


Whelan supporting pharmaceutical companies & attacking
former NEJM editor Marcia Angell
http://www.nationalreview.com/comme...00409080850.asp


Whelan asking "Who says PCBs cause cancer?"
http://www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/...Whelan-ACSH.htm


Whelan defending the use of trans fats in fast food
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=12780

Whelan founds first of the "public interest pretender" front
groups
http://www.whale.to/m/acsh1.html

________________________

A Look Back at the Great (Unfounded) Health Scares of 2004

By Dr. Elizabeth M. Whelan
Published 12/29/2004

Perhaps we are a society that relishes bad news. Or maybe by
definition bad news is news. Whatever the explanation, 2004
was full of headlines about modern living allegedly making
us sick.

The top 10 health scares of the last 12 months -- described
below -- have some common characteristics: some of these
reports overlook the basic toxicological principle that "the
dose makes the poison" and assume that if a lot of something
is bad then a little is risky too; some rely on a single,
often unpublished study that means little out of the context
of other literature in the field; and many swallow whole the
baseless mantra "if it causes cancer in a lab animal, it
must be assumed to pose a human cancer risk."

The top 10 unfounded scares for 2004 are:

1. Childhood vaccines cause autism.
This claim has been around for a while, but it received
enormous press exposure this year, with emphasis on the
claim that thimerosal, a vaccine preservative, is the
culprit. Coverage ranged from blatant scaremongering and
dismissal of scientific evidence to fairly unbiased
assessments of the data. The bottom line: to date, all the
evidence supports the view that there is no link between
thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism, or between any
vaccines and autism. This is the conclusion supported by the
body of published peer-reviewed scientific studies.

2. Farmed salmon causes cancer.
Last year, the Environmental Working Group launched this
scare, releasing a study of seven farmed salmon that they
said had measurable levels of PCBs -- industrial chemicals.
This year, an article in Science presented data showing that
farmed salmon had higher levels of PCBs than wild salmon.
But the warnings that found their way into the press were
exaggerated fears based on the assumption that because PCBs
are animal carcinogens they must pose a human cancer risk
even at trace levels. Indeed there is no evidence--even at
high levels -- that PCBs cause human cancer. Many synthetic
and natural chemicals in food cause cancer in high doses in
rodents--and those findings have no direct relevance for
human cancer risk.

3. Cell phones cause brain tumors.
Another oldie-but-goody made a comeback in 2004 when
researchers at an institute in Sweden released a study
supporting a link between cell phone use and acoustic
neuromas. Even the authors pointed out their study was small
and had never been replicated. Further, the study involved
analog cell phones, not the digital phones that are the vast
majority of those used today. But the story was widely
covered nonetheless. The mainstream scientific view is that
the health effects of using cell phones are negligible.

4. Nightlights cause leukemia.
In September 2004, scientists at a conference in Britain
suggested that increased light at night (not nightlights
specifically) may contribute to leukemia in children. Media
reports understandably caused anxiety in parents of young
children. But, while the rise in childhood leukemia
justifies legitimate research, there is currently no reason
to believe that nightlights pose any danger to children
(unless, of course, the bulb is really hot or they eat it).

5. Chemicals in cosmetics pose a heath hazard.
In June of 2004, the Environmental Working Group released
yet another report accusing a variety of cosmetic
manufacturers of using ingredients that increase the risk of
pregnancy problems or cancer. Once again, this scare was
based on the assumption that things that pose cancer in high
doses in rodents must pose a risk of human cancer, a claim
that has no basis whatsoever in scientific reality.

6. Mercury in seafood threatens health.
Mercury is a toxic metal, and at high levels it can indeed
pose a serious threat to human health. But again, media
reports overlooked the "dose makes the poison" rule. The
government has strict tolerance levels for mercury in fish,
and at the levels found in fish, mercury does not pose a
health hazard to humans.

7. Cheeseburgers cause heart disease.
When former President Bill Clinton announced just before
Labor Day that he had been diagnosed with severely blocked
coronary arteries and needed bypass surgery, the media had a
field day blaming his condition on his diet -- particularly
his penchant for fast food burgers and fries. Frequent film
footage showing the former President in front of McDonald's
and Burger King filled the nightly news. While it is true
that lifestyle factors such as smoking, inactivity, and
obesity can raise the risk of a heart attack, so can a
family history of predisposition toward high "bad"
cholesterol, low "good" cholesterol, and high blood
pressure. For preventing heart disease, medications that
control blood pressure and cholesterol levels are more
important than avoiding cheeseburgers or any other specific
food.

8. Antibiotics cause breast cancer.
A flurry of media coverage followed a February article in
the Journal of the American Medical Association finding that
prescriptions for antibiotics had been more common among
women who had been diagnosed with breast cancer. But as an
editorial accompanying the article noted, "this study
provides many (or more) questions than answers" -- and did
little to further our understanding of the causes of breast
cancer.

9. Teflon causes health problems.
This health scare was a spin-off of some wrangling between
Teflon's manufacturer, DuPont, and the EPA, which wanted
more data on the presence (in the environment and in blood)
of chemicals used in producing Teflon. It really had nothing
to do with scientific evidence of harm to health, as some
media announced. There is no convincing scientific evidence
that the chemical harms human health, nor that it is present
in Teflon itself.

10. Soda causes esophageal cancer.
Saving the worst for last, this scare came on the scene when
scientists from India reported a correlation between a rise
in per capita consumption of soda in the U.S. and the
occurrence of esophageal cancer--which media interpreted as
a causal connection. Since this "study" did not have any
scientific findings about cancer risk--simply showing that
both soda consumption and esophageal cancer became more
prevalent over the same time period -- it is remarkable that
the mainstream media even reported it at all.

With a little luck, this round-up of 2004's worst unfounded
health scares will encourage you to be more skeptical the
next time you read about a new, supposedly dire, health
"threat," and let's hope it will cause editors and
journalists to more seriously consider whether a story
really deserves coverage.

*

Elizabeth Whelan, Sc.D., M.P.H., is president of the
American Council on Science and Health.

###




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Re: FOLLOW THE MONEY - Industry shill Elizabeth Whelan claims mercury fears unfounded

Great post ... she is the Queen of Junk Science and Quackdom ...
funded by the chemical/pharma/med device industries ...

TCS has printed silicone propaganda for years ...

Barrett is one of ACSH's "advisors" ...

He is so deceitful ... when he wrote their garbage piece on MCS ... he
.... quack scientist that he is ... failed to disclose who pays ACSH to
pay him to write the nonsense they do.




On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:38:35 +0000 (UTC), "john"
<nospamoridiotss@vaccine.com> wrote:

>FOLLOW THE MONEY - Industry shill Elizabeth Whelan claims mercury fears
>unfounded
>
>
>FOLLOW THE MONEY
>Another misleading web article in the mercury disinformation
>campaign, from the grand dame of faux public interest front
>groups.
>
>"A Look Back at the Great (Unfounded) Health Scares of 2004"
>
>by Dr. Elizabeth Whelan, 12/29/04
>
>Dr. Elizabeth M. Whelan is president of the American Council
>on Science and Health.
>Her email address is acsh@acsh.org.
>
>See "false claim" #6: Mercury in seafood threatens health.
>See "false claim" #1: Childhood vaccines cause autism.
>
>The sponsoring website, Tech Central Station, is owned by a
>conglomerate -- DCI Group, L.L.C.
>On its website TCS states that it is sponsored by Merck and
>PhRMA, among others:
>
>"Tech Central Station is supported by sponsoring
>corporations that share our faith in technology and free
>markets. Smart application of technology - combined with pro
>free market, science-based public policy - has the ability
>to help us solve many of the world's problems, and so we are
>grateful to AT&T, Avue Technologies, The Coca-Cola Company,
>ExxonMobil, General Motors Corporation, Intel, McDonalds,
>Merck, Microsoft, Nasdaq, PhRMA, and Qualcomm for their
>support."
>
>Dr. Elizabeth M. Whelan resume, circa 1986 - from tobacco
>litigation
>http://tobaccodocuments.org/pm/2044...amp;end_page=19
>
>
>Whelan supporting pharmaceutical companies & attacking
>former NEJM editor Marcia Angell
>http://www.nationalreview.com/comme...00409080850.asp
>
>
>Whelan asking "Who says PCBs cause cancer?"
>http://www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/...Whelan-ACSH.htm
>
>
>Whelan defending the use of trans fats in fast food
>http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=12780
>
>Whelan founds first of the "public interest pretender" front
>groups
>http://www.whale.to/m/acsh1.html
>
>________________________
>
>A Look Back at the Great (Unfounded) Health Scares of 2004
>
>By Dr. Elizabeth M. Whelan
>Published 12/29/2004
>
>Perhaps we are a society that relishes bad news. Or maybe by
>definition bad news is news. Whatever the explanation, 2004
>was full of headlines about modern living allegedly making
>us sick.
>
>The top 10 health scares of the last 12 months -- described
>below -- have some common characteristics: some of these
>reports overlook the basic toxicological principle that "the
>dose makes the poison" and assume that if a lot of something
>is bad then a little is risky too; some rely on a single,
>often unpublished study that means little out of the context
>of other literature in the field; and many swallow whole the
>baseless mantra "if it causes cancer in a lab animal, it
>must be assumed to pose a human cancer risk."
>
>The top 10 unfounded scares for 2004 are:
>
>1. Childhood vaccines cause autism.
>This claim has been around for a while, but it received
>enormous press exposure this year, with emphasis on the
>claim that thimerosal, a vaccine preservative, is the
>culprit. Coverage ranged from blatant scaremongering and
>dismissal of scientific evidence to fairly unbiased
>assessments of the data. The bottom line: to date, all the
>evidence supports the view that there is no link between
>thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism, or between any
>vaccines and autism. This is the conclusion supported by the
>body of published peer-reviewed scientific studies.
>
>2. Farmed salmon causes cancer.
>Last year, the Environmental Working Group launched this
>scare, releasing a study of seven farmed salmon that they
>said had measurable levels of PCBs -- industrial chemicals.
>This year, an article in Science presented data showing that
>farmed salmon had higher levels of PCBs than wild salmon.
>But the warnings that found their way into the press were
>exaggerated fears based on the assumption that because PCBs
>are animal carcinogens they must pose a human cancer risk
>even at trace levels. Indeed there is no evidence--even at
>high levels -- that PCBs cause human cancer. Many synthetic
>and natural chemicals in food cause cancer in high doses in
>rodents--and those findings have no direct relevance for
>human cancer risk.
>
>3. Cell phones cause brain tumors.
>Another oldie-but-goody made a comeback in 2004 when
>researchers at an institute in Sweden released a study
>supporting a link between cell phone use and acoustic
>neuromas. Even the authors pointed out their study was small
>and had never been replicated. Further, the study involved
>analog cell phones, not the digital phones that are the vast
>majority of those used today. But the story was widely
>covered nonetheless. The mainstream scientific view is that
>the health effects of using cell phones are negligible.
>
>4. Nightlights cause leukemia.
>In September 2004, scientists at a conference in Britain
>suggested that increased light at night (not nightlights
>specifically) may contribute to leukemia in children. Media
>reports understandably caused anxiety in parents of young
>children. But, while the rise in childhood leukemia
>justifies legitimate research, there is currently no reason
>to believe that nightlights pose any danger to children
>(unless, of course, the bulb is really hot or they eat it).
>
>5. Chemicals in cosmetics pose a heath hazard.
>In June of 2004, the Environmental Working Group released
>yet another report accusing a variety of cosmetic
>manufacturers of using ingredients that increase the risk of
>pregnancy problems or cancer. Once again, this scare was
>based on the assumption that things that pose cancer in high
>doses in rodents must pose a risk of human cancer, a claim
>that has no basis whatsoever in scientific reality.
>
>6. Mercury in seafood threatens health.
>Mercury is a toxic metal, and at high levels it can indeed
>pose a serious threat to human health. But again, media
>reports overlooked the "dose makes the poison" rule. The
>government has strict tolerance levels for mercury in fish,
>and at the levels found in fish, mercury does not pose a
>health hazard to humans.
>
>7. Cheeseburgers cause heart disease.
>When former President Bill Clinton announced just before
>Labor Day that he had been diagnosed with severely blocked
>coronary arteries and needed bypass surgery, the media had a
>field day blaming his condition on his diet -- particularly
>his penchant for fast food burgers and fries. Frequent film
>footage showing the former President in front of McDonald's
>and Burger King filled the nightly news. While it is true
>that lifestyle factors such as smoking, inactivity, and
>obesity can raise the risk of a heart attack, so can a
>family history of predisposition toward high "bad"
>cholesterol, low "good" cholesterol, and high blood
>pressure. For preventing heart disease, medications that
>control blood pressure and cholesterol levels are more
>important than avoiding cheeseburgers or any other specific
>food.
>
>8. Antibiotics cause breast cancer.
>A flurry of media coverage followed a February article in
>the Journal of the American Medical Association finding that
>prescriptions for antibiotics had been more common among
>women who had been diagnosed with breast cancer. But as an
>editorial accompanying the article noted, "this study
>provides many (or more) questions than answers" -- and did
>little to further our understanding of the causes of breast
>cancer.
>
>9. Teflon causes health problems.
>This health scare was a spin-off of some wrangling between
>Teflon's manufacturer, DuPont, and the EPA, which wanted
>more data on the presence (in the environment and in blood)
>of chemicals used in producing Teflon. It really had nothing
>to do with scientific evidence of harm to health, as some
>media announced. There is no convincing scientific evidence
>that the chemical harms human health, nor that it is present
>in Teflon itself.
>
>10. Soda causes esophageal cancer.
>Saving the worst for last, this scare came on the scene when
>scientists from India reported a correlation between a rise
>in per capita consumption of soda in the U.S. and the
>occurrence of esophageal cancer--which media interpreted as
>a causal connection. Since this "study" did not have any
>scientific findings about cancer risk--simply showing that
>both soda consumption and esophageal cancer became more
>prevalent over the same time period -- it is remarkable that
>the mainstream media even reported it at all.
>
>With a little luck, this round-up of 2004's worst unfounded
>health scares will encourage you to be more skeptical the
>next time you read about a new, supposedly dire, health
>"threat," and let's hope it will cause editors and
>journalists to more seriously consider whether a story
>really deserves coverage.
>
>*
>
>Elizabeth Whelan, Sc.D., M.P.H., is president of the
>American Council on Science and Health.
>
>###
>
>
>


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Yet, the fact remains that mercury fears ARE unfounded. If I am incorrect,
please provide peer-reviewed evidence to the contrary.

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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:34:40 -0800, "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Yet, the fact remains that mercury fears ARE unfounded. If I am incorrect,
>please provide peer-reviewed evidence to the contrary.
>
>Jeff
>



Peer reviewers like Quack Barrett is for ACSH????

You are blind, deaf and dumber than rocks ... and thank God ... you
never were allowed to have an unrestricted medical license.

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"Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:6c86t05j6rqppolfpb5pm44vmgfhecr134@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:34:40 -0800, "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Yet, the fact remains that mercury fears ARE unfounded. If I am incorrect,
>>please provide peer-reviewed evidence to the contrary.
>>
>>Jeff
>>

>
>
> Peer reviewers like Quack Barrett is for ACSH????


No, peer-reveiwers who are experts in their fields. They examine the papers
before they are published and determine if the conclusions are supported by
results and if the papers are of high quality.

I don't mean to imply that Dr. Barret is or not qualified to be a
peer-reviewer. I don't know.

Personal attack deleted.

Jeff


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Re: FOLLOW THE MONEY - Industry shill Elizabeth Whelan claims mercury fears unfounded

Putz the pharma shill http://www.whale.to/m/putz.html
Journal article & peer review http://www.whale.to/w/journals1.html
Junk Science http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ploy2.html



<nospam@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:08:25 -0800, "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com>

wrote:
>
> >
> >"Ilena Rose" <ilena@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> >news:6c86t05j6rqppolfpb5pm44vmgfhecr134@4ax.com...
> >> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:34:40 -0800, "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Yet, the fact remains that mercury fears ARE unfounded. If I am

incorrect,

> >>>please provide peer-reviewed evidence to the contrary.
> >>>
> >>>Jeff
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Peer reviewers like Quack Barrett is for ACSH????

> >
> >No, peer-reveiwers who are experts in their fields. They examine the

papers
> >before they are published and determine if the conclusions are supported

by
> >results and if the papers are of high quality.
> >
> >I don't mean to imply that Dr. Barret is or not qualified to be a
> >peer-reviewer. I don't know.
> >
> >Personal attack deleted.
> >
> >Jeff

>
> Do they check for accuracy? The reason I ask is because a doctor I know

of,
> announced that he was doing a study using a certain number of people.

When the
> study was published, the number of people was reduced by about 50% which

made
> the results different than they would have been otherwise.
>
> Ora
>
>



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"john" <nospamoridiotss@vaccine.com> wrote in message
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> Putz the pharma shill http://www.whale.to/m/putz.html


John has whined that he does not like ad hominem attacks.

H Y P O C R I T E





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> FOLLOW THE MONEY - ...


http://www.hendontimes.co.uk/displa...ctor_jailed.php

Doctor charged for a bogus vaccine... and a kid ended up in the hospital
with measles.

All because of scaremongering by someone who was paid by a lawyer to come up
with a specific result:
http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/0000000CA40D.htm ...
"Though Dr Wakefield received some £55,000 out of legal aid funding secured
by Barr, he did not disclose this either to his colleagues at the Royal Free
Hospital in London or to Dr Richard Horton, the editor of the Lancet. Dr
Wakefield accepts that these allegations are true, but he denies that this
funding caused any conflict of interest, a view described by Dr Horton as
'perverse'."


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"HCN" <hcn@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "john" <nospamoridiotss@vaccine.com> wrote in message
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> > FOLLOW THE MONEY - ...

>
>

http://www.hendontimes.co.uk/displa...ctor_jailed.php
>
> Doctor charged for a bogus vaccine... and a kid ended up in the hospital
> with measles.


From that article:

The clinic treated more than 250 children a week, with a turnover of about
£17,500 a week at the height of the autism scare in 2002.

That is around $35,000 a week. Not chump change. And he only got 9 months
and Wakefield is scot free.

no justice.


>
> All because of scaremongering by someone who was paid by a lawyer to come

up
> with a specific result:
> http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/0000000CA40D.htm ...
> "Though Dr Wakefield received some £55,000 out of legal aid funding

secured
> by Barr, he did not disclose this either to his colleagues at the Royal

Free
> Hospital in London or to Dr Richard Horton, the editor of the Lancet. Dr
> Wakefield accepts that these allegations are true, but he denies that this
> funding caused any conflict of interest, a view described by Dr Horton as
> 'perverse'."
>
>



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