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An illegal work action took place. The evidence is there, and grows by the
hour. Those union officials responsible should be made to do the perp walk,
just like any corporate crook would. Anyone here who disagrees has confirmed
that they are flaming hypocrites.

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"Frank" <dontspamme@anytime.com> wrote in message
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> An illegal work action took place. The evidence is there, and grows by the
> hour. Those union officials responsible should be made to do the perp walk,
> just like any corporate crook would. Anyone here who disagrees has confirmed
> that they are flaming hypocrites.

Nice to see you are so open-minded. No room for disagreement with you is
there. Must be nice to simply declare your beliefs and ban any further
discussion.

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>From: "Frank" dontspamme@anytime.com

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>An illegal work action took place. The evidence is there, and grows by the
>hour. Those union officials responsible should be made to do the perp walk,
>just like any corporate crook would. Anyone here who disagrees has confirmed
>that they are flaming hypocrites.


Tell us, when are the CEOs of Enron and MCI Worldcom going to take their "perp
walks?"


HaHaHa@aol.com

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> "Frank" <dontspamme@anytime.com> wrote in message
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>> An illegal work action took place. The evidence is there, and grows by
>> the hour. Those union officials responsible should be made to do the perp
>> walk, just like any corporate crook would. Anyone here who disagrees has
>> confirmed that they are flaming hypocrites.
>
> Nice to see you are so open-minded. No room for disagreement with you is
> there. Must be nice to simply declare your beliefs and ban any further
> discussion.

Any who disagrees with my statement obviously believes that union officials
who initiate illegal job actions should not face justice. Michael, is that
the case with you?

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> "Frank" <dontspamme@anytime.com> wrote in message
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>> An illegal work action took place. The evidence is there, and grows by
>> the hour. Those union officials responsible should be made to do the perp
>> walk, just like any corporate crook would. Anyone here who disagrees has
>> confirmed that they are flaming hypocrites.
>
> Nice to see you are so open-minded. No room for disagreement with you is
> there. Must be nice to simply declare your beliefs and ban any further
> discussion.

Any who disagrees with my statement obviously believes that union officials
who initiate illegal job actions should not face justice. Michael, is that
the case with you?

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> "Frank" <dontspamme@anytime.com> wrote in message
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>> An illegal work action took place. The evidence is there, and grows by
>> the hour. Those union officials responsible should be made to do the perp
>> walk, just like any corporate crook would. Anyone here who disagrees has
>> confirmed that they are flaming hypocrites.
>
> Nice to see you are so open-minded. No room for disagreement with you is
> there. Must be nice to simply declare your beliefs and ban any further
> discussion.

Any who disagrees with my statement obviously believes that union officials
who initiate illegal job actions should not face justice. Michael, is that
the case with you?

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> "Frank" <dontspamme@anytime.com> wrote in message
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>> An illegal work action took place. The evidence is there, and grows by
>> the hour. Those union officials responsible should be made to do the perp
>> walk, just like any corporate crook would. Anyone here who disagrees has
>> confirmed that they are flaming hypocrites.
>
> Nice to see you are so open-minded. No room for disagreement with you is
> there. Must be nice to simply declare your beliefs and ban any further
> discussion.

Any who disagrees with my statement obviously believes that union officials
who initiate illegal job actions should not face justice. Michael, is that
the case with you?

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">
>>
>>An illegal work action took place. The evidence is there, and grows by the
>>hour. Those union officials responsible should be made to do the perp
>>walk,
>>just like any corporate crook would. Anyone here who disagrees has
>>confirmed
>>that they are flaming hypocrites.
>
>
> Tell us, when are the CEOs of Enron and MCI Worldcom going to take their
> "perp
> walks?"
>
>
> HaHaHa@aol.com

I hope they do, they are criminals.

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> "Michael Legel" <mjlegel@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>> "Frank" <dontspamme@anytime.com> wrote in message
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>>> An illegal work action took place. The evidence is there, and grows by the
>>> hour. Those union officials responsible should be made to do the perp
>>> walk, just like any corporate crook would. Anyone here who disagrees has
>>> confirmed that they are flaming hypocrites.
>>
>> Nice to see you are so open-minded. No room for disagreement with you is
>> there. Must be nice to simply declare your beliefs and ban any further
>> discussion.
>
> Any who disagrees with my statement obviously believes that union officials
> who initiate illegal job actions should not face justice. Michael, is that
> the case with you?

I'm still waiting for the evidence that says it was an illegal job action.
You simply saying so doesn't make it so. If there is evidence that this
happened I have no doubt the current investigation will unearth it and the
employees will face justice far swifter than the employers. Do you think the
airlines should be punished for overbooking flights? Or not having backup
computer systems? Or is it just this accused "illegal job action" by a few
employees your only worry?

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"Frank" is mixing criminal and civil laws with his use of the word
"illegal." Let's say, for the sake of argument, that there was an
organized sickout that was in fact not protected activity under the
relevant labor law (here, because it's the airline industry, it would
be the Railway Labor Act). The proper remedy would be pursuant to the
remedies provided by the RLA.

Those damages do *not* include "jail time" for anybody. To go to jail,
the accused has to have violated a *criminal statute*, which the RLA
isn't. Labor laws, like the RLA and the NLRA are *civil* laws. I
suppose we could redraft those laws such that bosses who fire workers
for supporting a union in violation of labor laws--a common
occurrence--should go to jail, but that's clearly not how the RLA or
NLRA works. The "perp walks" of a couple of executives came after they
violated *criminal* laws.

And in any case, does "Frank" really think that not showing up for work
on a given day should be a crime punishable by criminal sentences? If
it was the law, it would be kind of like, oh I don't know, ...
slavery.--Joe

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Frank wrote:
> ">
>
>>>An illegal work action took place. The evidence is there, and grows by the
>>>hour. Those union officials responsible should be made to do the perp
>>>walk,
>>>just like any corporate crook would. Anyone here who disagrees has
>>>confirmed
>>>that they are flaming hypocrites.
>>
>>
>>Tell us, when are the CEOs of Enron and MCI Worldcom going to take their
>>"perp
>>walks?"
>>
>>
>>HaHaHa@aol.com
>
>
> I hope they do, they are criminals.
>
>
1) ALL employees have the basic human right to deny an employer of their
labor, otherwise they are slaves.

2) Labor unions representing the baggage handlers and other employees
deny any involvement in the sick out. So let someone PROVE it.

3) "There's a lot of frustration among the employees, they've made
significant sacrifices to keep their airlines running, their wages in
many cases have been continually eroded," says George Novak of the
Aviation Institute at George Washington University in Washington. "At
some point it becomes important for the public and the air carriers to
recognize those sacrifices."
>>From "Holiday woes signal trouble ahead for air travel", By Alexandra
Marks and Sara B. Miller | Staff writers of The Christian Science
Monitor 12/29/04.

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gw wrote:
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> 1) ALL employees have the basic human right to deny an employer of their
> labor
With appropriate notification. If they just woke up, called in sick, and
were not really sick, then they should be fired so they can be 'sick' on
their own time and the airline can plan it's staffing more reliably.

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gw wrote:
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> 1) ALL employees have the basic human right to deny an employer of their
> labor
With appropriate notification. If they just woke up, called in sick, and
were not really sick, then they should be fired so they can be 'sick' on
their own time and the airline can plan it's staffing more reliably.

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gw wrote:
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> 1) ALL employees have the basic human right to deny an employer of their
> labor
With appropriate notification. If they just woke up, called in sick, and
were not really sick, then they should be fired so they can be 'sick' on
their own time and the airline can plan it's staffing more reliably.

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> gw wrote:
>>>
>> 1) ALL employees have the basic human right to deny an employer of their
>> labor
> With appropriate notification. If they just woke up, called in sick, and
> were not really sick, then they should be fired so they can be 'sick' on
> their own time and the airline can plan it's staffing more reliably.

So if all the employees told the employer a week in advance then they could
take the day off without loss of job?

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> gw wrote:
>>>
>> 1) ALL employees have the basic human right to deny an employer of their
>> labor
> With appropriate notification. If they just woke up, called in sick, and
> were not really sick, then they should be fired so they can be 'sick' on
> their own time and the airline can plan it's staffing more reliably.

So if all the employees told the employer a week in advance then they could
take the day off without loss of job?

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> gw wrote:
>>>
>> 1) ALL employees have the basic human right to deny an employer of their
>> labor
> With appropriate notification. If they just woke up, called in sick, and
> were not really sick, then they should be fired so they can be 'sick' on
> their own time and the airline can plan it's staffing more reliably.

So if all the employees told the employer a week in advance then they could
take the day off without loss of job?

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Michael Legel wrote:
> So if all the employees told the employer a week in advance then they could
> take the day off without loss of job?

If the employer agrees they can all take the time off.

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> And in any case, does "Frank" really think that not showing up for work
> on a given day should be a crime punishable by criminal sentences? If
> it was the law, it would be kind of like, oh I don't know, ...
> slavery.--Joe

No, no charge against those employees who took part in the sickout...however
the union slugs who organized this thing (which they seriously regret now,
you betcha) should be behind bars. Course it will never happen, crooked
union officials get away with just about anything.

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"> 1) ALL employees have the basic human right to deny an employer of their
> labor, otherwise they are slaves.

Of course they do...they also have the right to have their asses fired. It's
a two-way street.\

>
> 2) Labor unions representing the baggage handlers and other employees deny
> any involvement in the sick out. So let someone PROVE it.
>

That's going on as we speak. There is already a trail of evidence that is
being pieced together linking union officials with this sickout.

> 3) "There's a lot of frustration among the employees, they've made
> significant sacrifices to keep their airlines running, their wages in many
> cases have been continually eroded," says George Novak of the Aviation
> Institute at George Washington University in Washington. "At some point it
> becomes important for the public and the air carriers to recognize those
> sacrifices."

By breaking the law? The air traffic controllers did something similar, and
those guys found themselves pumping gas in a hurry.

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Frank wrote:
> > And in any case, does "Frank" really think that not showing up for
work
> > on a given day should be a crime punishable by criminal sentences?
If
> > it was the law, it would be kind of like, oh I don't know, ...
> > slavery.--Joe
>
> No, no charge against those employees who took part in the
sickout...however
> the union slugs who organized this thing (which they seriously regret
now,
> you betcha) should be behind bars. Course it will never happen,
crooked
> union officials get away with just about anything.

Again, even if you could show that union folks organized this and it
was an illegal strike under the RLA, that wouldn't call for *jail*
time, because it's a civil law.

I'll again check to see if you're consistent: do you think employers
who violate labor laws like the NLRA and the RLA should be sent to
jail?--Joe

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> Frank wrote:
>> > And in any case, does "Frank" really think that not showing up for
> work
>> > on a given day should be a crime punishable by criminal sentences?
> If
>> > it was the law, it would be kind of like, oh I don't know, ...
>> > slavery.--Joe
>>
>> No, no charge against those employees who took part in the
> sickout...however
>> the union slugs who organized this thing (which they seriously regret
> now,
>> you betcha) should be behind bars. Course it will never happen,
> crooked
>> union officials get away with just about anything.
>
> Again, even if you could show that union folks organized this and it
> was an illegal strike under the RLA, that wouldn't call for *jail*
> time, because it's a civil law.
>
> I'll again check to see if you're consistent: do you think employers
> who violate labor laws like the NLRA and the RLA should be sent to
> jail?--Joe
>
That depends on the severity of the offense. If an employer defies the
minimun wage laws, makes his employees work excessive hours without
overtime, and other such egregious behavior, that I wouldn't mind seeing a
creep like that do some time, and there are cases where they do. The union
deekweeds here helped a great deal to create problems on a mass scale
through an illegal job action...this was no little thing. Jail time should
be in the offing, if not some VERY SERIOUS civil penalties. A question for
you, assuming it turns out that union officials did indeed organize or help
to facilitate a sickout, do you support punishment to the fullest extent of
current law??

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