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Re: Listen to Jesus and Quit with the Anti-Semitism (was Re: Chai Vang, backshooting cowardly Hmong
In article <41D2E004.1040403@earthops.net>,
Tiny Human Ferret <ixnayamspay_klaatu@earthops.net> wrote:
> Perfesser White wrote:
> > In article <41D19203.60108@earthops.net>,
> > Tiny Human Ferret <ixnayamspay_klaatu@earthops.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Perfesser White wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article <1V1Ad.6832$iC4.6523@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>,
> >>> "Harold E. Robbins" <herobbins@netrscape.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Pennsylvania Dutch wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Another jew denying the virgin birth of Christ...that's born of a virgin
> >>>>>jewboy...Christ was and is God...a fact you jews have always denied and
> >>>>>why you had Christ killed...
> >>>>
> >>>>You honor me, I'm not a Jew unless, you mean an adopted Jew. Because of
> >>>>Christ, I am an adopted son of God. By the way, if you read the New
> >>>>Testament, you will find that the Jews didn't kill Jesus, we did, with
> >>>>our personal sins. That is why Jesus willingly gave his life. To save
> >>>>us, you and me, from our sins.
> >>>>
> >>>>That is God's gift to us through the Jews.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Yes, it's God's gift to us, not the Jews' gift to us. Jews renounce
> >>>Jesus, but you consider it an "honor" to be considered a Jew?
> >
> >
> > Ferret,
> > I take it that since this reply is to my post, and you've changed the
> > title of the post to "Listen to Jesus and Quit with the Anti-Semitism",
> > that you must believe that what I posted is "anti-semitic". How so?
> >
> >
> >>I've known a lot of Jews and I have never heard one "renounce" Jesus.
> >>They don't accept him as the Messiah --
> >
> >
> > Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary/Thesaurus
> >
> > renounce \ri-"naun(t)s\ verb renounced renouncing [ME, fr. MF renoncer,
> > fr. L renuntiare, fr. re- + nuntiare to report, fr. nuntius messenger]
> >
> > to refuse to follow, obey, or recognize any further : repudiate
> > <renounce the authority of the church>
>
>
> <dictionary Websters unabridged 1913>
> Renounce Re*nounce" (r-e*nouns"), v. t. imp. & p. p.
> Renounced (-nounst"); p. pr. & vb. n. Renouncing
> (-noun"s?ng). F. renoncer, L. renuntiare to bring back
> word, announce, revoke, retract, renounce; pref. re- re- +
> nuntiare to announce, fr. nuncius, a messenger. See Nuncio,
> and cf. Renunciation.
> 1. To declare against; to reject or decline formally; to
> refuse to own or acknowledge as belonging to one; to
> disclaim; as, to renounce a title to land or to a throne.
>
> 2. To cast off or reject deliberately; to disown; to dismiss;
> to forswear.
>
> This world I do renounce, and in your sights Shake
> patiently my great affliction off. --Shak.
>
> 3. (Card Playing) To disclaim having a card of (the suit led)
> by playing a card of another suit.
>
> To renounce probate (Law), to decline to act as the
> executor of a will. --Mozley & W.
>
> Syn: To cast off; disavow; disown; disclaim; deny; abjure;
> recant; abandon; forsake; quit; forego; resign;
> relinquish; give up; abdicate.
>
> Usage: Renounce, Abjure, Recant. -- To renounce is to
> make an affirmative declaration of abandonment. To
> abjure is to renounce with, or as with, the solemnity
> of an oath. To recant is to renounce or abjure some
> proposition previously affirmed and maintained.
>
> From Thebes my birth I own; . . . since no
> disgrace Can force me to renounce the honor of
> my race. --Dryden.
>
> Either to die the death, or to abjure Forever
> the society of man. --Shak.
>
> Ease would recant Vows made in pain, as violent
> and void. --Milton.
>
> Renounce Re*nounce", v. i.
> 1. To make renunciation. Obs.
>
> He of my sons who fails to make it good, By one
> rebellious act renounces to my blood. --Dryden.
>
> 2. (Law) To decline formally, as an executor or a person
> entitled to letters of administration, to take out probate
> or letters.
>
> Dryden died without a will, and his widow having
> renounced, his son Charles administered on June 10.
> --W. D.
> Christie.
>
> Renounce Re*nounce", n. (Card Playing)
> Act of renouncing.
> </dictionary>
>
> Note that the sense of the word "renounced" is the sense of giving up
> what one has had. Jews never accepted the "dominion of Christ" and thus
> could not properly be said to have renounced it. Rejected, yes,
> renounced, no.
It seems you're wanting to split hairs here, but the first definition 1
or 2 is how I used the term. The Jews "declare against; to reject or
decline formally" that Jesus was the Son of God. A term does not have to
fit all definitions listed for that word in the dictionary.
>
>
> >>they're still waiting -- but
> >>they regard him as a very important prophet.
> >
> >
> > Au contraire, the Jewish Encyclopedia states:
> >
> > Henceforth he
> ^^
>
> To whom exactly does "he" refer? Either you, or the Jewish Encyclopedia,
> is in grevious error. In no way did Jesus ever promote such practices as
> are _condemned by St Paul_ in the passages cited below. There appears to
> be a profound misattribution of context here.
>
> > became the type of false prophets seducing men to lewdness
> > and obscene idolatrous practices (Rev. ii. 14; II Peter ii. 15; Jude 11;
> > Abot. v. 19). The name 'Nicolaitanes,' given to the Christian heretics
> > 'holding the doctrine of Balaam' (Rev. ii. 6, 15), is probably derived
> > from the Grecized form of Balaam, [Hebr. char.] = [Greek char.], and
> > hence also the pseudonym given to Jesus in Sanh. 106b and Git. 57a.
> > -The Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. II, p. 469
>
> It sounds to me as if they're discussing someone who was spreading a
> twisted Gospel, one against which Paul rails through most of the his
> Epistles.
I should have articulated with the quote. The essense of it is that Jews
regard Jesus not as an important prophet but rather they refer to Him as
Balaam, a traitor, in the Talmud:
"derived from the Grecized form of Balaam, and hence also the pseudonym
given to Jesus in Sanh. 106b and Git. 57a." -The Jewish Encyclopedia,
Vol. II, p. 469
>
>
> >>In fact, a really common
> >>complaint I hear is "why don't the Christians listen to Jesus, if they
> >>think he's so important". And when I ask what they mean, I usually hear,
> >>"the Rabbi said, 'Love your God with all your heart, with all your soul,
> >>with all your mind, with all of your deeds' and he also said 'Love your
> >>neighbor as you love yourself'. The two things are highly related and
> >>you can't really do one without the other".
> >
> >
> > Does that mean that I should let myself be taken advantage of by anyone
> > who cares to do so, because someone proclaims them as my "neighbor"? In
> > that case, let's bring all of Ol' Mehico here- they're our neighbors!
>
> Is it not written that if the invader should demand that you carry his
> pack, beyond the distance you are made to carry it, you should carry it
> one mile beyond? Is it not written that if the usurper should strike you
> on the one cheek, that you should present the other cheek also for his
> abuse? If we're talking about being Xian here, let's be serious about
> obeying all of the commands of Jesus, not just those which are
> convenient to the side of the dispute you wish to press!
It has become common that some people seek to distort Christian
teachings past the point of all reason. Jesus did not say to allow
yourself to be looted, or to become anyone's dupe, lackey, or beast of
burden; Jesus never said to let Jews (or anyone else) have their way
with you; Jesus never said that self-destruction, suicide, or genocide
is cool. To have humility, yes; to be self-destructive, no.
And Christians arent perfect, either- most try as best they can to
follow Christ's teachings, but invariably fall short. Jesus isn't
available these days to mediate disputes over His teachings or their
meaning.
>
>
> >>I myself am rather curious why so many Christians profess to worship
> >>Jesus but just don't seem to be interested in obeying the commands of Jesus.
> >
> >
> > It depends upon the definition of "neighbor", doesn't it? Jesus answered
> > that with a parable- one who shows mercy.
>
> So, you're saying that no Jew shows mercy? Or that most of them do not?
Where on earth are you getting that? What I asked was who is my
neighbor, the same question asked of Jesus in Luke 10:29. Jesus answered
with the parable of the Good Samaritan, Luke 10:30-37.
>
> If the Jews are of such great and far-reaching power as is suggested by
> the anti-semitic paranoids, tell me then: why are these paranoids left
> alive to spread their blood slander, if not for the Jews' mercy for the
> AFFLICTED?
Even if that is what Jews wanted to do to their detractors, murder by
anyone is against the law in this country. Would you call that the Jews
being merciful?
I hope you aren't trying to label anyone who questions things Jewish as
being anti-semitic or paranoid. The plain truth is that Jews have been
remarkably effective at enacting their agenda in the Western nations and
in the U.S. in particular. The most obvious example of this is the
amount of U.S. foreign aid that goes to Israel.
>
> No doubt I will get some convoluted conspiracy theory back from the
> paranoids that explains all of this. But probably the real explanation
> is that the paranoids were prescribed a course of treatment by their
> jewish psychiatrist which would have meant that the paranoid would have
> to give up their most precious possession: the murderous intent
Who are you referring to that has murderous intent?
> they so
> sweetly cherish in their bloody fantasies of racial extermination.
>
> Such persons who cherish their murderous intent, where is _their_ mercy?
> I am to call such persons my neighbors, then? Moreso, perhaps, than some
> Jew I've never met, who doesn't know me from Adam? From any person I
> would expect and demand, and to that person I offer, the basics of
> civility, and I suppose you could call that a form of mercy if you
> wished to stretch the definitions. A reserved civility from one
> neighbor, and a glittering-eyed foaming of racial intolerance from the
> other neighbor: which shall I consider more merciful, and thus more
> likely the better neighbor. Which?
Which is more honest with you?
>
>
> >>If Jesus said, "love your neighbor as you love yourself" and your
> >>neighbor is a Jew, if you hate your neighbor for being Jewish, you are
> >>offending against the advice of Jesus. _That_ would be renouncing Jesus.
> >
> >
> > I don't "hate" Jews, but I don't put them on a pedestal either, as many
> > gullible Christians appear to do. Jews do not walk on water. They are no
> > different from Catholics, Muslims, or pagans.
>
> Eh, they walk on water if they know where the rocks are below the
> surface. Same as anyone.
Yep.
Perfesser White
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