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US Airways employees ruin holiday for thousands

US Airways employees apparently decided to have a sickout at the height of
holiday travel, with predictable results. I guess this is a big THANK YOU to
the customers who pay the tickets that cover their wages and put food on
their tables? Thank you for feeding my family, and now spend Christmas
stranded in an airport terminal for your trouble assholes! Revenge for the
impending wage cuts? Are they actually trying to hasten the demise of their
own company and become unemployed even sooner on a lark? Ahh the good old
days, when the unions could stuff a cockpit with co-co-co-pilots and assign
three workers 5 hours overtime to take a leak. Reality is a bitch, and the
death march of unionism in America happily marches on.


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> US Airways employees apparently decided to have a sickout at the height of
> holiday travel, with predictable results.


In all cases, such action is taken as a last resort, as a reaction
to unAmerican employer manouvres.

>Thank you for feeding my family, and now spend Christmas
> stranded in an airport terminal for your trouble assholes!


Who is feeding your family Frank? Probably the taxes paid by
those Airways employees and other poorly paid Americans.

pjl


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Frank wrote:
> US Airways employees apparently decided to have a sickout at the height of
> holiday travel, with predictable results. I guess this is a big THANK YOU to
> the customers who pay the tickets that cover their wages and put food on
> their tables? Thank you for feeding my family, and now spend Christmas
> stranded in an airport terminal for your trouble assholes! Revenge for the
> impending wage cuts? Are they actually trying to hasten the demise of their
> own company and become unemployed even sooner on a lark? Ahh the good old
> days, when the unions could stuff a cockpit with co-co-co-pilots and assign
> three workers 5 hours overtime to take a leak. Reality is a bitch, and the
> death march of unionism in America happily marches on.
>
>

Another brilliant move by the union. Annoy your customers so business
goes elsewhere then whine when your job goes away. Then these jerks will
insist that they get unemployment after losing their jobs.

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"Frank" <dontspamme@anytime.com> wrote in message
news:9LQzd.10145$RH4.8204@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> US Airways employees apparently decided to have a sickout at the height of
> holiday travel, with predictable results. I guess this is a big THANK YOU
> to
> the customers who pay the tickets that cover their wages and put food on
> their tables? Thank you for feeding my family, and now spend Christmas
> stranded in an airport terminal for your trouble assholes! Revenge for
> the
> impending wage cuts? Are they actually trying to hasten the demise of
> their
> own company and become unemployed even sooner on a lark? Ahh the good old
> days, when the unions could stuff a cockpit with co-co-co-pilots and
> assign
> three workers 5 hours overtime to take a leak. Reality is a bitch, and the
> death march of unionism in America happily marches on.
>
>


Frank,
Where was the support for these people when their wages & benefits were cut
deeply?If the people of this nation would stand up and support workers that
are getting screwed maybe these kind of things wouldn't be necessary.These
people have families to support just like most people and with the cuts that
US Air(and many other companies) proposes they will barely make a livable
wage.
And as far as Unions and a death march,don't count on Unions going anywhere
without the biggest labor battle in US history!And that's something you can
count on.

Solidarity Rules,
BrianD


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"Frank" <dontspamme@anytime.com> wrote in message
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> US Airways employees apparently decided to have a sickout at the height of
> holiday travel, with predictable results. I guess this is a big THANK YOU to
> the customers who pay the tickets that cover their wages and put food on
> their tables? Thank you for feeding my family, and now spend Christmas
> stranded in an airport terminal for your trouble assholes! Revenge for the
> impending wage cuts? Are they actually trying to hasten the demise of their
> own company and become unemployed even sooner on a lark? Ahh the good old
> days, when the unions could stuff a cockpit with co-co-co-pilots and assign
> three workers 5 hours overtime to take a leak. Reality is a bitch, and the
> death march of unionism in America happily marches on.


Imagine that ... employees wanting to spend Christmas with their families?
How audacious of them. There used to be a time when it was accepted that ALL
people should enjoy the holidays ... not just the "customers". You can't
imagine those poor "customers" stranded in an airport terminal, but it's
expected of those menial employees? Were you forced to work Christmas day
Frank? Did you volunteer to help out your customers? Or did you sit at your
computer calling names to your betters?


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> Who is feeding your family Frank? Probably the taxes paid by
> those Airways employees and other poorly paid Americans.
>


I feed my family, and I damn well know that it is the "customer" of the
industry I work in that keeps them fed. Why would I directly bite the hand
that feeds me, and at the worst time? As for employees of airlines being
poorly paid Americans...I fear you must have been smoking some crack when
you typed that. When US Airways closes it's doors for good, thanks in part
to employees who decided that their wages should remain astronomical, and
that the money for it could come from Mars for all they were concerned, they
will lucky to get jobs at all, and what will the airline unions do for them
then?? What will the union do then? Not a damn thing.


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> Frank,
> Where was the support for these people when their wages & benefits were
> cut deeply?If the people of this nation would stand up and support workers
> that are getting screwed maybe these kind of things wouldn't be necessary.


Support what? Employees that have historically earned astronomically more
than anyone else performing similar taks, which in turn kept air travel much
more expensive than it ever should have been (until recently)? Americans are
supposed to stand up for this? The salad days are long gone, the fleas must
come to terms with the fact that the dogs are dying. If they want to
survive, they must learn to be less parasitic. The legacy carriers are going
the way of the dinosaur, and the inefficient shameless union practices of
yesterday have to go as well.


>These people have families to support just like most people and with the
>cuts that US Air(and many other companies) proposes they will barely make a
>livable wage.


They will come down to something more resembling reality, and if they value
a good job they better keep their mouths shut. They aren't doing that, and
US Airways will go away into the night along with their livelyhoods. This is
what their sickout is going to accomplish, you shall see.

> And as far as Unions and a death march,don't count on Unions going
> anywhere without the biggest labor battle in US history!And that's
> something you can count on.


Where has this battle been the last 20 years? Are they waiting for 8%, 6%,
or 1% before they scramble up whatever troops are left? I don't think so.
They don't even have any pull left with the elctorate. Their candidates are
losing every race. Tell you what, if I were running for any sort of public
office, the last thing I would want is the kiss of death union support would
bring, lol.


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> Imagine that ... employees wanting to spend Christmas with their families?
> How audacious of them. There used to be a time when it was accepted that
> ALL people should enjoy the holidays ... not just the "customers". You
> can't imagine those poor "customers" stranded in an airport terminal, but
> it's expected of those menial employees? Were you forced to work
> Christmas day Frank? Did you volunteer to help out your customers? Or
> did you sit at your computer calling names to your betters?


When was this time when America ground completely to a standstill on
Christmas Day? Airline workers menial employees? I have worked many a
Christmas Day, sir, in the business I am in, it's crucial that I do so, and
I have no problem with that. I am not going to call in sick like a lazy
shiftless coward and let my coworkers take up the slack while I sit at home.
The US Airways workers who pulled this gutless stunt will come to regret it
terribly in the not too distant future. They are also now marked as people
who can NEVER be counted on by anyone, and will be cast aside in time.


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"Frank" <dontspamme@anytime.com> wrote in message
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>> Imagine that ... employees wanting to spend Christmas with their families?
>> How audacious of them. There used to be a time when it was accepted that
>> ALL people should enjoy the holidays ... not just the "customers". You
>> can't imagine those poor "customers" stranded in an airport terminal, but
>> it's expected of those menial employees? Were you forced to work Christmas
>> day Frank? Did you volunteer to help out your customers? Or did you sit
>> at your computer calling names to your betters?

>
> When was this time when America ground completely to a standstill on
> Christmas Day? Airline workers menial employees? I have worked many a
> Christmas Day, sir, in the business I am in, it's crucial that I do so, and
> I have no problem with that. I am not going to call in sick like a lazy
> shiftless coward and let my coworkers take up the slack while I sit at home.
> The US Airways workers who pulled this gutless stunt will come to regret it
> terribly in the not too distant future. They are also now marked as people
> who can NEVER be counted on by anyone, and will be cast aside in time.


Frank, you were at your shrillest when you bragged about going out of your way
to cross the picket lines during the grocery strike last year. We really
haven't heard you get so whiney since then ... were you possibly one of those
poor souls stranded by the recent airline screwups and need someone to blame
your problems on? Far more flights were cancelled due to weather and computer
failure than those effected by the 300 sick calls.

And it's not about "when America ground completely to a standstill", only a
money monger like you would even look at this holiday in those terms. It is
about people spending a little time with their families, all together, at the
same time. I can remember a time when everyone from great-grandparents to
great grandchildren could count on a few days a year when they could all sit
down to a meal together without getting permission from someone else. Now we
all have to check our work schedules to see who has to work on the holiday.
Again, I don't call this progress and it is sad that you do.

I have NEVER worked a Christmas day because my union was strong enough to
maintain that paid holiday. And it sounds like you could have avoided it too
had you joined a union yourself. What nonsense is this that it is "crucial"
to work on Christmas? I think you greatly overestimate your personal
contribution.


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than those effected by the 300 sick calls.
>
> And it's not about "when America ground completely to a standstill", only
> a money monger like you would even look at this holiday in those terms.
> It is about people spending a little time with their families, all
> together, at the same time. I can remember a time when everyone from
> great-grandparents to great grandchildren could count on a few days a year
> when they could all sit down to a meal together without getting permission
> from someone else. Now we all have to check our work schedules to see who
> has to work on the holiday. Again, I don't call this progress and it is
> sad that you do.
>
> I have NEVER worked a Christmas day because my union was strong enough to
> maintain that paid holiday. And it sounds like you could have avoided it
> too had you joined a union yourself. What nonsense is this that it is
> "crucial" to work on Christmas? I think you greatly overestimate your
> personal contribution.


There are tasks in this world that have to be done every day, literally
hundreds of them, and it's always been this way. Planes must fly, trains
must roll, safety, rescue and security services must be in place, animals
must be fed, utilities must be delivered, etc. etc. . These are real jobs
done by people who get up with pride and do them on Christmas Day,
regardless of whether or not they are getting paid 5 times and a half. To
suggest that it is somehow reasonable or feasible that everyone can hang up
their hat all at once is not only mildly ignorant, but a sign of true
stupidity and a lack of understanding of the world around them. You have no
clue, nor will you ever find one I fear.


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>
> There are tasks in this world that have to be done every day, literally
> hundreds of them, and it's always been this way. Planes must fly, trains
> must roll, safety, rescue and security services must be in place, animals
> must be fed, utilities must be delivered, etc. etc. . These are real jobs
> done by people who get up with pride and do them on Christmas Day,
> regardless of whether or not they are getting paid 5 times and a half. To
> suggest that it is somehow reasonable or feasible that everyone can hang up
> their hat all at once is not only mildly ignorant, but a sign of true
> stupidity and a lack of understanding of the world around them. You have no
> clue, nor will you ever find one I fear.


Of course there are a minimal number of core jobs which are necessary. But
those are a mere fraction of the jobs in this nation which are FORCED to work
those days or lose their jobs. (Unless of course they happen to be sick that
day ;-)

And there are a number of people, like yourself evidently, who would gladly
sacrifice family time or reschedule it so as to work on those days. I am
absolutely sure there wouldn't be a lot of widespread suffering if the local
stop-n-shop, Wal-mart, airport, Kmart, etc. were closed a few days a year. I
DO understand the world around me Frank. Too often the demands for people to
work longer for less, to work on weekends and holidays, to sell their lives to
their employers if they wish to keep a job ... Yes I understand that reality
all to well ... but I don't have to like it, or accept it quietly. America's
corporations force Americans to work those days for one simple reason ...
GREED. It is not about providing a service or altruism of any kind. Just
pure and simple greed. The same greed that was the heart of the original
Scrooge decades ago. I think there are many like you who see the results of
this greed as necessary. That the world would stop spinning if people just
put down their labors for a few days a year together and spent just a little
time enjoying life together. The fact is that until we reign in this kind of
greed ... our values will continue to degrade. Sex, violence, drugs, etc. ...
all the ills of society are not declining and they won't until we place more
value on our lives and personal dignitiy than we do on money. Money drives
our lives today ... and people like you honestly believe that more dollars
today will make your life better than quality time spent with your family and
friends.



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> "Frank" <dontspamme@anytime.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> There are tasks in this world that have to be done every day, literally
>> hundreds of them, and it's always been this way. Planes must fly, trains
>> must roll, safety, rescue and security services must be in place, animals
>> must be fed, utilities must be delivered, etc. etc. . These are real jobs
>> done by people who get up with pride and do them on Christmas Day,
>> regardless of whether or not they are getting paid 5 times and a half. To
>> suggest that it is somehow reasonable or feasible that everyone can hang
>> up their hat all at once is not only mildly ignorant, but a sign of true
>> stupidity and a lack of understanding of the world around them. You have
>> no clue, nor will you ever find one I fear.

>
> Of course there are a minimal number of core jobs which are necessary.
> But those are a mere fraction of the jobs in this nation which are FORCED
> to work those days or lose their jobs. (Unless of course they happen to
> be sick that day ;-)
>
> And there are a number of people, like yourself evidently, who would
> gladly sacrifice family time or reschedule it so as to work on those days.
> I am absolutely sure there wouldn't be a lot of widespread suffering if
> the local stop-n-shop, Wal-mart, airport, Kmart, etc. were closed a few
> days a year. I DO understand the world around me Frank. Too often the
> demands for people to work longer for less, to work on weekends and
> holidays, to sell their lives to their employers if they wish to keep a
> job ... Yes I understand that reality all to well ... but I don't have to
> like it, or accept it quietly. America's corporations force Americans to
> work those days for one simple reason ... GREED. It is not about
> providing a service or altruism of any kind. Just pure and simple greed.
> The same greed that was the heart of the original Scrooge decades ago. I
> think there are many like you who see the results of this greed as
> necessary. That the world would stop spinning if people just put down
> their labors for a few days a year together and spent just a little time
> enjoying life together. The fact is that until we reign in this kind of
> greed ... our values will continue to degrade. Sex, violence, drugs, etc.
> ... all the ills of society are not declining and they won't until we
> place more value on our lives and personal dignitiy than we do on money.
> Money drives our lives today ... and people like you honestly believe that
> more dollars today will make your life better than quality time spent with
> your family and friends.
>


You are making my argument for me. If time spent with family is more
important than money, than by staging a sickout over wages, thus denying
travellers the ability to get with their families even after making
arrangements for it, paying for it, and thus creating mass dissapointment
for people who have nothing to do with the situation, they showed that money
was more important than anything else. There are many who would like the
welfare state that exists in much of Europe, but it is those welfare states
that create high tax environments and depressed economies, and no one can
afford anything.I have family in Europe, in a country where a one month
vacation a year is mandated by law, where an employee can basically come and
go as he pleases and it takes a monumental effort to fire such an
incompetant, and the economy is SHIT, the business environment is horrible,
everything that we take for granted as being cheap at Wal-Mart is out of
reach for a majority of the population. It is MUCH harder to get by in many
european countries, despite the welfare state laws and heavy handed labor
laws that are strangling business over there.The USA is the strongest most
robust enonomy for a reason. The quality of life here compared to many other
countries with the types of systems YOU would like to see in place is vastly
greater.


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> if they value a good job they better keep their mouths shut.

Not only keep mouths shut Frank, maybe throw in the odd seig heil?

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pjl wrote:
> > if they value a good job they better keep their mouths shut.

>
> Not only keep mouths shut Frank, maybe throw in the odd seig heil?
>
> pjl


I saw two TV shows about this problem today and each had two experts
explaining the story and they all said it was the management of USAir
and the management of Delta that was responsible for the problems. Of
course the labor haters will blaim the workers for everything. The
union created the snow storm and the union caused the computer to crash
(which had no back up) and the union shot Lincoln and blew up the space
shuttle ETC ETC
That tsunami looked like a union made tidal wave too.

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pjl wrote:
> > if they value a good job they better keep their mouths shut.

>
> Not only keep mouths shut Frank, maybe throw in the odd seig heil?
>
> pjl


I saw two TV shows about this problem today and each had two experts
explaining the story and they all said it was the management of USAir
and the management of Delta that was responsible for the problems. Of
course the labor haters will blaim the workers for everything. The
union created the snow storm and the union caused the computer to crash
(which had no back up) and the union shot Lincoln and blew up the space
shuttle ETC ETC
That tsunami looked like a union made tidal wave too.

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> You are making my argument for me. If time spent with family is more
> important than money, than by staging a sickout over wages, thus denying
> travellers the ability to get with their families even after making
> arrangements for it, paying for it, and thus creating mass dissapointment
> for people who have nothing to do with the situation, they showed that money
> was more important than anything else.


What information do you have that this was an organized effort to gain wages?
It was my assumption these were individuals who decided to stay home with
their families for the holiday. Why do you assume it is about wages? And how
are the employees responsible for this "mass dissapointment"? Management is
responsible for providing service not the individual employees. What I find
most interesting is that in your fervor to turn this around you suddenly find
it abhorrent for the workers to do something for money when you were just
ranting how they didn't deserve more money. Seems to me that if 300 employees
can cause this much furer by staying home they might just be "worth" more than
you thought. But, again, what evidence do you have that this was a concerted
action rather than simply individuals who simply thumbed their noses at the
airlines and stayed home with family because it was Christmas?


There are many who would like the
> welfare state that exists in much of Europe, but it is those welfare states
> that create high tax environments and depressed economies, and no one can
> afford anything.I have family in Europe, in a country where a one month
> vacation a year is mandated by law, where an employee can basically come and
> go as he pleases and it takes a monumental effort to fire such an
> incompetant, and the economy is SHIT, the business environment is horrible,
> everything that we take for granted as being cheap at Wal-Mart is out of
> reach for a majority of the population.


Why do you corelate taking time off as "incompetant"? If their economy is so
bad why are the Europeans buying up America like it was fire sale. You need
to do a little more research on the value of the Euro, the value of the dollar
and the relative economies. Simply because they don't crave cheap Wal-mart
junk doesn't mean they're stupid. I won't shop at Wal-mart either because I
can afford to buy better products. I think you should get back in touch with
reality. Europe is not such a bad place to live at all. I'm sure many
business owners aren't happy about real labor laws, but that doesn't make it
bad.

It is MUCH harder to get by in many
> european countries, despite the welfare state laws and heavy handed labor
> laws that are strangling business over there.The USA is the strongest most
> robust enonomy for a reason. The quality of life here compared to many other
> countries with the types of systems YOU would like to see in place is vastly
> greater.


You need to keep up with the times. Do a few Google searches on such topics
as infant mortality, education levels, homelessness, children in poverty, etc.
You might be surprised to find some areas in our country, such as parts of
Appalachia, where our citizens would qualify for humanitarian assistance and
foreign aid. Perhaps your quality of life is wonderful, as is mine ... but
that is not true for all Americans. Our economy is not only shrinking, our
industrial base is nearly gone altogether. By what standard do you consider
our economy "robust"?


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Typical Far Right bullshit.


"Frank" <dontspamme@anytime.com> wrote in message
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>> Frank,
>> Where was the support for these people when their wages & benefits were
>> cut deeply?If the people of this nation would stand up and support
>> workers that are getting screwed maybe these kind of things wouldn't be
>> necessary.

>
> Support what? Employees that have historically earned astronomically more
> than anyone else performing similar taks, which in turn kept air travel
> much more expensive than it ever should have been (until recently)?
> Americans are supposed to stand up for this? The salad days are long gone,
> the fleas must come to terms with the fact that the dogs are dying. If
> they want to survive, they must learn to be less parasitic. The legacy
> carriers are going the way of the dinosaur, and the inefficient shameless
> union practices of yesterday have to go as well.
>
>
>>These people have families to support just like most people and with the
>>cuts that US Air(and many other companies) proposes they will barely make
>>a livable wage.

>
> They will come down to something more resembling reality, and if they
> value a good job they better keep their mouths shut. They aren't doing
> that, and US Airways will go away into the night along with their
> livelyhoods. This is what their sickout is going to accomplish, you shall
> see.
>
>> And as far as Unions and a death march,don't count on Unions going
>> anywhere without the biggest labor battle in US history!And that's
>> something you can count on.

>
> Where has this battle been the last 20 years? Are they waiting for 8%, 6%,
> or 1% before they scramble up whatever troops are left? I don't think so.
> They don't even have any pull left with the elctorate. Their candidates
> are losing every race. Tell you what, if I were running for any sort of
> public office, the last thing I would want is the kiss of death union
> support would bring, lol.
>



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Frank, Michael;
Your debate will never reach a conclusion until you two define your
use of the words "capitalism" and "socialism".
Once you agree on the definitions you will recognize that we in
America don't practice one or the other. We have chosen to attempt to
use the best parts of each in a search for utopia(no such place).
The same is true for the terms, liberal, conservative republican and
democrat. These words are like arguing whether grey is really black or
is it really white. The fact that there are thousands of combinations of
black and white that can be called gray, but only one can be white and
only one can be white.
There are thousands of ways to be wrong but only one way to be right.

Common-cents says "Freedom without Responsibility
is an illusion".

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> Frank, Michael;
> Your debate will never reach a conclusion until you two define your
> use of the words "capitalism" and "socialism".
> Once you agree on the definitions you will recognize that we in
> America don't practice one or the other. We have chosen to attempt to
> use the best parts of each in a search for utopia(no such place).
> The same is true for the terms, liberal, conservative republican and
> democrat. These words are like arguing whether grey is really black or
> is it really white. The fact that there are thousands of combinations of
> black and white that can be called gray, but only one can be white and
> only one can be white.
> There are thousands of ways to be wrong but only one way to be right.
>


Thank you professor, but there is no explaining anything to Frank or Ospama.
I, for one, could care less about all the labels. I simply stated a few
opinions to which they disagree. And since they can't grasp a concept foreign
to which they hold they resort to "Because I said so....".


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> Frank, Michael;
> Your debate will never reach a conclusion until you two define your
> use of the words "capitalism" and "socialism".
> Once you agree on the definitions you will recognize that we in


Hmmm, an accidental 'hit the nail on the head methinks.'

These labels exists because they are real.
Capitalism-Communism
(You could use other words to describe these two babies
eg socialism for communism)

My personal belief is that BOTH ideologies are equally extreme.(and equally
evil)
My preference is somewhere between the two extremes, though closer to the
socialist side

> America don't practice one or the other. We have chosen to attempt to
> use the best parts of each in a search for utopia(no such place).


It would be easy for me to shout I HAVE NEVER EVER READ SUCH A
DOPEY STATEMENT but I won't. Most people have been fooled into
what Gary believes.

The fact is, America practises the most extreme form of capitalism
on the planet, worse, throw in some mafia like practices of
government officials and a corrupt corporate structure, there can
only be one outcome, millions living in poverty, in prison, early deaths,
etc etc. It gets worse, under this current regime, the USA has
probably become one of the worst terrorist states this planet
has ever known.

>We have chosen to attempt to use the best parts of each in a search for

utopia(no such place).

No we have not Gary BUT that is exactly what we should be doing.

Quote;
"The enormous gap between what US leaders do in the world and what Americans
think their
leaders are doing is one of the great propaganda accomplishments of the
dominant political mythology." :
Michael Parenti political scientist, author



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> pjl wrote:
>> > if they value a good job they better keep their mouths shut.

>>
>> Not only keep mouths shut Frank, maybe throw in the odd seig heil?
>>
>> pjl

>
> I saw two TV shows about this problem today and each had two experts
> explaining the story and they all said it was the management of USAir
> and the management of Delta that was responsible for the problems. Of
> course the labor haters will blaim the workers for everything. The
> union created the snow storm and the union caused the computer to crash
> (which had no back up) and the union shot Lincoln and blew up the space
> shuttle ETC ETC
> That tsunami looked like a union made tidal wave too.


I don't know what TV shows you are watching, but many news outfits are
reporting that there was a sickout.


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> Typical Far Right bullshit.
>
>

Typical reply, lacking any substance, from a liberal zombie.


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>
> Thank you professor, but there is no explaining anything to Frank or
> Ospama. I, for one, could care less about all the labels. I simply stated
> a few opinions to which they disagree. And since they can't grasp a
> concept foreign to which they hold they resort to "Because I said so....".


Oh hater of labels, were I to do a google search of your posting trail in
this NG, will I not find reams upon reams of labels you have applied to
others with whom you have disagreed ? Shall I cut in with a label alert
every time you place one hence forth? You deflect all critisim and varying
points of view by whining about labels...what it shows is an empty mind on
your part, whose only defence is to deflect, rather than take a question
head on. You're not a very good spokesman for the union lackeys of this NG.


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"> etc etc. It gets worse, under this current regime, the USA has
> probably become one of the worst terrorist states this planet
> has ever known.


How can anyone take you seriously now? Shall we imitate Spain, and elect
politicians more to Osama Bin Laden's liking, in the hopes that terrorists
will like us? To anyone who believes this country does not have a right to
defend ourselves and battle terrorism wherever it exists...Fuck You.


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>>
>> Thank you professor, but there is no explaining anything to Frank or
>> Ospama. I, for one, could care less about all the labels. I simply stated
>> a few opinions to which they disagree. And since they can't grasp a
>> concept foreign to which they hold they resort to "Because I said so....".

>
> Oh hater of labels, were I to do a google search of your posting trail in
> this NG, will I not find reams upon reams of labels you have applied to
> others with whom you have disagreed ? Shall I cut in with a label alert
> every time you place one hence forth? You deflect all critisim and varying
> points of view by whining about labels...what it shows is an empty mind on
> your part, whose only defence is to deflect, rather than take a question
> head on. You're not a very good spokesman for the union lackeys of this NG.


I never claimed to be a "spokesman" for anybody. If you can't carry on a
discussion without all this flatulence, why not quit? All right, go ahead,
follow me around the internet and play "label cop" if that floats your boat.
You really need to get a life Frank.


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