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Taxpayers pay for ESL for employers who don't pay enough to hire

http://www.thnt.com/thnt/story/0,21282,1146490,00.html

This story will probably disappear in a few days, so I'll copy/paste.

(Also, note that these are warehouse jobs in huge distribution sites
near the NJ Turnpike, NOT retail jobs, despite the B&N executive calling
the employees "booksellers" and the reporter including the number of
retail stores in the story.

New Jersey's lost 1,000's of good paying industrial jobs in the last few
years- it was reportedly losing 90 a DAY last winter).

Barnes & Noble gets ESL training

Published in the Home News Tribune 12/17/04
By KEN TARBOUS
BUSINESS WRITER

MIDDLESEX COUNTY: More than 850 Barnes & Noble workers in the Jamesburg
area will receive English as a Second Language training in a Middlesex
County College-designed program funded by a $300,500 state grant,
according to the college.

"The main thing is to help them be more productive at work, to
communicate with each other better, to communicate with management, with
whomever they need to," Tom Peterson, the college's director of
marketing and public information, said yesterday. "It's largely
dedicated to things they'll need to know on the job, but it also
obviously helps them in their personal lives as well."

At least 15 instructors will teach employees, most of them native
Spanish speakers, at the bookseller's five distribution sites in the
Jamesburg area over the next year, he added.

"It benefits everybody, including the state, including the county,
including the college, and including the workers," Peterson said.

The ESL program was custom-designed for Barnes & Noble by the college's
Institute for Management and Technical Development, which specializes in
training delivered at company work sites, Patricia Moran, director of
the Institute, said yesterday.

Moran worked closely with Barnes & Noble on the company's grant
application, which was approved by the state Department of Labor early
last month.

The classes, the first of which began two weeks ago, meet for two hours
twice a week for 10 weeks, or a total of 40 hours, Moran said.

The employees are on the clock while learning.

"They're still getting paid," Moran said. "That's the rule of the
Department of Labor . . . that's the agreement the company signs with
the grant."

The institute recently put together employee training in various
business subjects for Crate & Barrel, The New York Times, and Wegmans
Food Markets.

Bill Duffy, Barnes & Noble's executive vice president of distribution,
said in a statement earlier this week, "We are thrilled to have this
opportunity for our booksellers to become more fully proficient in the
English language."

The company has more than 800 stores nationwide.

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Re: Taxpayers pay for ESL for employers who don't pay enough to hire

The question everyone should ask themselves is, why is our government
allowing one million illegal aliens to sneak across our borders each
year, and another one million to come here legally?

jesskidden@YAH00.com wrote:
> http://www.thnt.com/thnt/story/0,21282,1146490,00.html
>
> This story will probably disappear in a few days, so I'll copy/paste.
>
> (Also, note that these are warehouse jobs in huge distribution sites
> near the NJ Turnpike, NOT retail jobs, despite the B&N executive calling
> the employees "booksellers" and the reporter including the number of
> retail stores in the story.
>
> New Jersey's lost 1,000's of good paying industrial jobs in the last few
> years- it was reportedly losing 90 a DAY last winter).
>
> Barnes & Noble gets ESL training
>
> Published in the Home News Tribune 12/17/04
> By KEN TARBOUS
> BUSINESS WRITER
>
> MIDDLESEX COUNTY: More than 850 Barnes & Noble workers in the Jamesburg
> area will receive English as a Second Language training in a Middlesex
> County College-designed program funded by a $300,500 state grant,
> according to the college.
>
> "The main thing is to help them be more productive at work, to
> communicate with each other better, to communicate with management, with
> whomever they need to," Tom Peterson, the college's director of
> marketing and public information, said yesterday. "It's largely
> dedicated to things they'll need to know on the job, but it also
> obviously helps them in their personal lives as well."
>
> At least 15 instructors will teach employees, most of them native
> Spanish speakers, at the bookseller's five distribution sites in the
> Jamesburg area over the next year, he added.
>
> "It benefits everybody, including the state, including the county,
> including the college, and including the workers," Peterson said.
>
> The ESL program was custom-designed for Barnes & Noble by the college's
> Institute for Management and Technical Development, which specializes in
> training delivered at company work sites, Patricia Moran, director of
> the Institute, said yesterday.
>
> Moran worked closely with Barnes & Noble on the company's grant
> application, which was approved by the state Department of Labor early
> last month.
>
> The classes, the first of which began two weeks ago, meet for two hours
> twice a week for 10 weeks, or a total of 40 hours, Moran said.
>
> The employees are on the clock while learning.
>
> "They're still getting paid," Moran said. "That's the rule of the
> Department of Labor . . . that's the agreement the company signs with
> the grant."
>
> The institute recently put together employee training in various
> business subjects for Crate & Barrel, The New York Times, and Wegmans
> Food Markets.
>
> Bill Duffy, Barnes & Noble's executive vice president of distribution,
> said in a statement earlier this week, "We are thrilled to have this
> opportunity for our booksellers to become more fully proficient in the
> English language."
>
> The company has more than 800 stores nationwide.
>

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Re: Taxpayers pay for ESL for employers who don't pay enough to hire

>From: "johnny@." johnny@.

>The question everyone should ask themselves is, why is our government
>allowing one million illegal aliens to sneak across our borders each
>year, and another one million to come here legally?


You're kidding, right?
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
As long as business owners are allowed to hire illegal aliens, with absolutely
no consequences, except to the worker, if caught, they'll keep doing it. Start
handing out a couple of years of jail time to the management people doing the
hiring, more to the CEOs ordering it, and you'll see some improvement.

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Re: Taxpayers pay for ESL for employers who don't pay enough to hire

Wdivekw wrote:
>>From: "johnny@." johnny@.

>
>
>>The question everyone should ask themselves is, why is our government
>>allowing one million illegal aliens to sneak across our borders each
>>year, and another one million to come here legally?

>
>
> You're kidding, right?
> Sorry, couldn't help myself.
> As long as business owners are allowed to hire illegal aliens, with absolutely
> no consequences, except to the worker, if caught, they'll keep doing it. Start
> handing out a couple of years of jail time to the management people doing the
> hiring, more to the CEOs ordering it, and you'll see some improvement.


Why isn't this done? Why aren't the existing immigration laws enforced?


The Law Against Hiring or Harboring Illegal Aliens


The following is an overview of federal law on hiring and harboring
illegal aliens. It is not a substitute for professional legal counsel in
specific situations.
Summary

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization or local
government) commits a federal felony when he:

* assists an alien whom he should reasonably know is illegally in
the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting,
sheltering, or assisting him to obtain employment,
* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S., by referring him to
an employer, by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or
* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

http://www.fairus.org/ImmigrationIs...D=1195&c=13


It looks like George Bush has committed a Federal Felony, by aiding
illegal aliens due to his personal convictions.


Referring to illegal Mexican immigrants sneaking across the southern
border, George Bush said:

"If they are worth their salt, they will try to come here"

He then promised the president of Mexico, that he would find the support
and push through a guest worker program, that would legalize ten million
illegal aliens, most of them Mexicans.

Guess what? We already have a guest worker program!

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Re: Taxpayers pay for ESL for employers who don't pay enough to hire

The sad fact is that our "representatives" do not represent all of us. They
predominately represent those with the money to fund their political
campaigns. Those who have money want cheap labor. If the current trend
continues we will again see slave labor and the company store as a matter of
general life in this country instead of merely isolated "incidents".


<johnny@.> wrote in message news:%YZwd.839$e33.235@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> Wdivekw wrote:
>>>From: "johnny@." johnny@.

>>
>>
>>>The question everyone should ask themselves is, why is our government
>>>allowing one million illegal aliens to sneak across our borders each year,
>>>and another one million to come here legally?

>>
>>
>> You're kidding, right?
>> Sorry, couldn't help myself.
>> As long as business owners are allowed to hire illegal aliens, with
>> absolutely
>> no consequences, except to the worker, if caught, they'll keep doing it.
>> Start
>> handing out a couple of years of jail time to the management people doing
>> the
>> hiring, more to the CEOs ordering it, and you'll see some improvement.

>
> Why isn't this done? Why aren't the existing immigration laws enforced?
>
>
> The Law Against Hiring or Harboring Illegal Aliens
>
>
> The following is an overview of federal law on hiring and harboring illegal
> aliens. It is not a substitute for professional legal counsel in specific
> situations.
> Summary
>
> A person (including a group of persons, business, organization or local
> government) commits a federal felony when he:
>
> * assists an alien whom he should reasonably know is illegally in the
> U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or
> assisting him to obtain employment,
> * encourages that alien to remain in the U.S., by referring him to an
> employer, by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or
> * knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.
>
> http://www.fairus.org/ImmigrationIs...D=1195&c=13
>
>
> It looks like George Bush has committed a Federal Felony, by aiding illegal
> aliens due to his personal convictions.
>
>
> Referring to illegal Mexican immigrants sneaking across the southern border,
> George Bush said:
>
> "If they are worth their salt, they will try to come here"
>
> He then promised the president of Mexico, that he would find the support and
> push through a guest worker program, that would legalize ten million illegal
> aliens, most of them Mexicans.
>
> Guess what? We already have a guest worker program!



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Re: Taxpayers pay for ESL for employers who don't pay enough to hire

>From: "Michael Legel"

>The sad fact is that our "representatives" do not represent all of us. They
>predominately represent those with the money to fund their political
>campaigns. Those who have money want cheap labor. If the current trend
>continues we will again see slave labor and the company store as a matter of
>general life in this country instead of merely isolated "incidents".
>


We already have slave labor in this country. It's called itinerant farm
workers. It took CWA, and other ectivists 10 years to get New York Legislators
to approve a law mandating the farm owners provde potable water to their
workers.
Always wash your produce thoroughly since they don't provide porta-potties.

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Wdivekw wrote:
>>From: "Michael Legel"

>
>
>>The sad fact is that our "representatives" do not represent all of us. They
>>predominately represent those with the money to fund their political
>>campaigns. Those who have money want cheap labor. If the current trend
>>continues we will again see slave labor and the company store as a matter of
>>general life in this country instead of merely isolated "incidents".


The ONLY way to stop this use of cheap scab labor is not to allow it in
the country.

In the area that I live in which "was" half industrial, and the other
half agricultural, there are only two nurserymen, not farmers, who use
scab foreign labor. Everyone else uses American labor...

The laws are on the books---they should be enforced. The AFL-CIO could
push for enforcement---instead of supporting criminal behavior by the
employers and the illegal and legal foreign scab employees.

How many millions of our per capita were dumped on the illegal alien ride???

>>

>
>
> We already have slave labor in this country. It's called itinerant farm
> workers. It took CWA, and other ectivists 10 years to get New York Legislators
> to approve a law mandating the farm owners provde potable water to their
> workers.
> Always wash your produce thoroughly since they don't provide porta-potties.



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jesskidden@YAH00.com wrote:
> http://www.thnt.com/thnt/story/0,21282,1146490,00.html
>
> This story will probably disappear in a few days, so I'll copy/paste.
>
> (Also, note that these are warehouse jobs in huge distribution sites
> near the NJ Turnpike, NOT retail jobs, despite the B&N executive calling
> the employees "booksellers" and the reporter including the number of
> retail stores in the story.
>
> New Jersey's lost 1,000's of good paying industrial jobs in the last few
> years- it was reportedly losing 90 a DAY last winter).
>
> Barnes & Noble gets ESL training
>
> Published in the Home News Tribune 12/17/04
> By KEN TARBOUS
> BUSINESS WRITER
>
> MIDDLESEX COUNTY: More than 850 Barnes & Noble workers in the Jamesburg
> area will receive English as a Second Language training in a Middlesex
> County College-designed program funded by a $300,500 state grant,
> according to the college.
>
> "The main thing is to help them be more productive at work, to
> communicate with each other better, to communicate with management, with
> whomever they need to," Tom Peterson, the college's director of
> marketing and public information, said yesterday. "It's largely
> dedicated to things they'll need to know on the job, but it also
> obviously helps them in their personal lives as well."
>
> At least 15 instructors will teach employees, most of them native
> Spanish speakers, at the bookseller's five distribution sites in the
> Jamesburg area over the next year, he added.
>
> "It benefits everybody, including the state, including the county,
> including the college, and including the workers," Peterson said.
>
> The ESL program was custom-designed for Barnes & Noble by the college's
> Institute for Management and Technical Development, which specializes in
> training delivered at company work sites, Patricia Moran, director of
> the Institute, said yesterday.
>
> Moran worked closely with Barnes & Noble on the company's grant
> application, which was approved by the state Department of Labor early
> last month.
>
> The classes, the first of which began two weeks ago, meet for two hours
> twice a week for 10 weeks, or a total of 40 hours, Moran said.
>
> The employees are on the clock while learning.
>
> "They're still getting paid," Moran said. "That's the rule of the
> Department of Labor . . . that's the agreement the company signs with
> the grant."
>
> The institute recently put together employee training in various
> business subjects for Crate & Barrel, The New York Times, and Wegmans
> Food Markets.
>
> Bill Duffy, Barnes & Noble's executive vice president of distribution,
> said in a statement earlier this week, "We are thrilled to have this
> opportunity for our booksellers to become more fully proficient in the
> English language."
>
> The company has more than 800 stores nationwide.
>


That's the whole story bring in more foreign scabs, while the
judeo-coommunists at the AFL-CIO and other judeo-communist politicians
tell us how wonderful it is...

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