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December 16, 2004, 5:25 AM EST

NEW YORK (AP) _ Five construction executives were indicted on charges of
paying off union officials so their companies could skirt labor agreements.

Manhattan U.S. Attorney David Kelley said Wednesday the executives began
making illegal payments to Locals 14 and 15 of the International Union
of Operating Engineers as early as 1991. The charges were part of a
continuing crackdown on alleged mob influence in the city's construction
industry, Kelley said.

Hundreds of thousands of dollars were funneled to union officials so the
companies could use fewer workers and pay less overtime than required by
collective bargaining agreements, The New York Times reported Thursday,
citing an unnamed law enforcement official.


http://www.newsday.com/news/local/w...p-regional-wire

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johnny@. wrote:
> December 16, 2004, 5:25 AM EST
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> NEW YORK (AP) _ Five construction executives were indicted on charges of
> paying off union officials so their companies could skirt labor agreements.

Union leaders taking bribes to sell out their members? Oh no, what is
the world coming to? Say it isn't so.

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Osama Bin Kerry wrote:
> johnny@. wrote:
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>> December 16, 2004, 5:25 AM EST
>>
>> NEW YORK (AP) _ Five construction executives were indicted on charges
>> of paying off union officials so their companies could skirt labor
>> agreements.
>
>
> Union leaders taking bribes to sell out their members? Oh no, what is
> the world coming to? Say it isn't so.

If you will notice, the union officials weren't charged, just the
contractors. The ones you work for.

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johnny@. wrote:
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> If you will notice, the union officials weren't charged, just the
> contractors. The ones you work for.

But the union leaders took the bribes and sold out their members. Union
thievery in action.

And by the way, I don't work for any contractors.

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Osama Bin Kerry wrote:
> johnny@. wrote:
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>>
>> If you will notice, the union officials weren't charged, just the
>> contractors. The ones you work for.
>
>
> But the union leaders took the bribes and sold out their members. Union
> thievery in action.
>
> And by the way, I don't work for any contractors.

I don't know why you think the only criminals are union members, or that
only union officials sell out their members. Non union companies screw
their employees every day of the week. If you have time go to the
Department of Labor, http://www.dol.gov/ and look up the company you
work for. You might be surprised what you find.

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johnny@. wrote:
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> I don't know why you think the only criminals are union members, or that
> only union officials sell out their members. Non union companies screw
> their employees every day of the week. If you have time go to the
> Department of Labor, http://www.dol.gov/ and look up the company you
> work for. You might be surprised what you find.

I never claimed business are totally above board. But for union leaders
to claim they are out to protect employees and then all too frequently
rip them off, assault them, sell them out or simply lie so they can get
more members is unacceptable.

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Osama Bin Kerry wrote:
> johnny@. wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't know why you think the only criminals are union members, or
>> that only union officials sell out their members. Non union companies
>> screw their employees every day of the week. If you have time go to
>> the Department of Labor, http://www.dol.gov/ and look up the company
>> you work for. You might be surprised what you find.
>
>
> I never claimed business are totally above board. But for union leaders
> to claim they are out to protect employees and then all too frequently
> rip them off, assault them, sell them out or simply lie so they can get
> more members is unacceptable.
Unacceptable to you? The union members seem to accept it.

It is just a fact of life, that there are no good son of a bitches in
this world, that are out for themselves, and will screw anyone to get
what they want. Take George Bush for instance, a worthless piece of
shit, that wouldn't be anything today if it wasn't for his daddy, that
got him in the national guard in front of a hundred more qualified men.

The man has destroyed this country in order to fulfill his personal
agenda, and that is to open the border between Mexico and the United States.

Remember when Bush said "You are either with us or against us"? Well
Vincente Fox the president of Mexico was against us, and Bush still
kisses his ass.

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johnny@. wrote:
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> Unacceptable to you? The union members seem to accept it.

That's because union members are pussies who can't fight their own
battles and need somebody else to tell them what to do.
>
> It is just a fact of life, that there are no good son of a bitches in
> this world, that are out for themselves, and will screw anyone to get
> what they want. Take George Bush for instance,

No, I'll take Bill Clinton. What a waste of a presidency. You don't get
to be president just you you can meet chicks.

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"Osama Bin Kerry" <obk@osama.net> wrote in message
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> johnny@. wrote:
>>
>> Unacceptable to you? The union members seem to accept it.
>
> That's because union members are pussies who can't fight their own battles
> and need somebody else to tell them what to do.
>>
>> It is just a fact of life, that there are no good son of a bitches in this
>> world, that are out for themselves, and will screw anyone to get what they
>> want. Take George Bush for instance,
>
> No, I'll take Bill Clinton. What a waste of a presidency. You don't get to
> be president just you you can meet chicks.

This from a scab who was such a pussy he tried to steal a job from another
person by crossing a picket line. Then whined about how those bad union
people tried to persuade him otherwise. Keep whining yourself you lowlife
scab.

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Osama Bin Kerry wrote:
> johnny@. wrote:
>
>>
>> Unacceptable to you? The union members seem to accept it.
>
>
> That's because union members are pussies who can't fight their own
> battles and need somebody else to tell them what to do.
>
>>
>> It is just a fact of life, that there are no good son of a bitches in
>> this world, that are out for themselves, and will screw anyone to get
>> what they want. Take George Bush for instance,
>
>
> No, I'll take Bill Clinton. What a waste of a presidency. You don't get
> to be president just you you can meet chicks.

Why can't you get president blow job out of your head? He is history,
try to focus on the present.

Bush just signed an Intelligence Reform bill, that he says will put
10,000 new Border Patrol on the borders, the only problem is, that the
bill didn't provide any money for the jobs. Bush refuses to protect our
borders, and the next terrorist attack will be because of him.

Over seventy republican representatives, asked Bush to have language in
this bill, that would keep terrorist from getting driver's licenses, he
refused. The reason he refused, is because you would have to show that
you are in the country legally, to get a license. Of course Bush
couldn't agree to this, because it would also keep millions of illegal
Mexican immigrants from getting a license.

What do you think of that Osama?

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Bushes refusal to require proof of legal entry into this country for
drivers licenses was also a back door way to undercut the teamsters
union. He is waging a war against all workers and the non-union sector
thinks he is a hero. Someday they will see but I hope it is not too
late.

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<tmurph2@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
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> Bushes refusal to require proof of legal entry into this country for
> drivers licenses was also a back door way to undercut the teamsters
> union. He is waging a war against all workers and the non-union sector
> thinks he is a hero. Someday they will see but I hope it is not too
> late.
>
Teamsters; isn't the Houston local the the one who built their new meeting
hall with non-union labor because "Union labor is too expensive"?
Yeh, teamsters are great union supporters.

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The poor judgement of one teamster local does not excuse the attack
against American workers that the Bush administration is doing. Using
non-union labor on a union hall is stupid and short sighted. Allowing
illegals to get drivers licenses works against ALL Americans and should
be considered criminal.

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The poor judgement of one teamster local does not excuse the attack
against American workers that the Bush administration is doing. Using
non-union labor on a union hall is stupid and short sighted. Allowing
illegals to get drivers licenses works against ALL Americans and should
be considered criminal.

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Mr. Grumps wrote:
> <tmurph2@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
> news:1103465364.504185.102290@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Bushes refusal to require proof of legal entry into this country for
>>drivers licenses was also a back door way to undercut the teamsters
>>union. He is waging a war against all workers and the non-union sector
>>thinks he is a hero. Someday they will see but I hope it is not too
>>late.
>>
>
> Teamsters; isn't the Houston local the the one who built their new meeting
> hall with non-union labor because "Union labor is too expensive"?
> Yeh, teamsters are great union supporters.
>
>
The teamsters of Local 988 are good union men, their corrupt leadership
was the cause of this, and the International union had to go in and take
over the local.


The Chronicle reported the day before the grand opening that nonunion
construction workers built the 16,246-square-foot structure because
Local 988's leadership decided union contractors cost too much.

James P. Hoffa, the union's international president and son of
presumed-dead Teamsters leader Jimmy Hoffa, canceled his appearance at
the festivities.


When the hearings ended, local members expected the International
Brotherhood to release a report 60 days later, but Hoffa granted the
panelists a postponement.

Then, on Oct. 9, the Independent Review Board recommended that the union
take action against Crawley and Bankhead on accusations of embezzlement.
It also recommended union charges against a 22-year-old employee named
Marie Espinosa for her suspected involvement in some of Crawley's and
Bankhead's alleged dealings. Espinosa did not return phone calls seeking
comment.

Hoffa no longer had a choice. He sent in his own team on Oct. 16.

They changed the locks and handed over control to the trustee from
Jackson, Miss. And the five-year reign of Local 988's latest reformer
abruptly came to a halt -- for now.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistor...usiness/2196642

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tmurph2@peoplepc.com wrote:
> Bushes refusal to require proof of legal entry into this country for
> drivers licenses was also a back door way to undercut the teamsters
> union.

Good for Bush. Unless they are out looking for Jimmy Hoffa, the
teamsters union leadership should be in jail.

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tmurph2@peoplepc.com wrote:
> The poor judgement of one teamster local does not excuse the attack
> against American workers that the Bush administration is doing.

But the continued bad behavior of union leadership, regularly viloating
federal law certainly does. If a union's leaders break the law, that
union should be disbanded and no new union allowed.

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johnny@. wrote:
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> The Chronicle reported the day before the grand opening that nonunion
> construction workers built the 16,246-square-foot structure because
> Local 988's leadership decided union contractors cost too much.

Even union leadership thinks unionized employees are overpaid. Ain't
that the truth.

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Osama Bin Kerry wrote:
> johnny@. wrote:
>
>>
>> The Chronicle reported the day before the grand opening that nonunion
>> construction workers built the 16,246-square-foot structure because
>> Local 988's leadership decided union contractors cost too much.
>
>
> Even union leadership thinks unionized employees are overpaid. Ain't
> that the truth.

Osama, I am about sick of you blaming all corruption on unions.
Non-union companies are just a corrupt, an you know it.

There are some lazy incompetent union workers, and the same goes for
non-union workers. You see, the difference between you and me, is that
I can see and understand both sides, You on the other hand, can only see
the bad side of unions. I know there are non-union workers that go out
and bust their ass everyday to support their families, I do the same, I
give my employer eight hours work for eight hours pay.

I'm in a better position than the non-union electrician, because when
the boss says you're laid off, or you're fired, I can go the hall and
get sent out on another job for the same pay and same benefits. The
non-union guy has to look in the paper and try to find a job, then he
has to renegotiate his salary and benefits, if there are any benefits.

Now, can you see why the non-union electrician would be better off in a
union?

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johnny@. wrote:
> Osama, I am about sick of you blaming all corruption on unions.
> Non-union companies are just a corrupt, an you know it.

My point here, which you don't get, is that unions are supposed to
protect the working guy. Problem is that way too often the working guy
gets screwed by the unions. Sold out in contract negotiations, union
leaders stealing money from the unions, unions stealing money from
workers by illegal fees, support for amnesty for illegal immigrants,
etc. etc.

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Osama Bin Kerry wrote:
> johnny@. wrote:
>
>> Osama, I am about sick of you blaming all corruption on unions.
>> Non-union companies are just a corrupt, an you know it.
>
>
> My point here, which you don't get, is that unions are supposed to
> protect the working guy. Problem is that way too often the working guy
> gets screwed by the unions. Sold out in contract negotiations, union
> leaders stealing money from the unions, unions stealing money from
> workers by illegal fees, support for amnesty for illegal immigrants,
> etc. etc.

It happens, and the Teamsters are the worst. They are in the news all
the time and are the main reason unions have a bad name. I have been
with my local for thirty years, and none of the business managers or
assistants have ever been charged with anything.

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