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A friend of mine has a son who never had shown a sign of autism, and they
have nurses in the family who might have detected such. Within 10 minutes of
being injected with the MMR vaccine, he had a 104 degree fever and commenced
incessantly screaming and crying; this lasted 10 hours. The next day he was
"gone" -- that is, regressed into the condition called autism. They did not
give her next son the MMR vaccine, and he did not become autistic.
Unfortunately, her youngest son was accidentally given an MMR vaccine by a
practitioner; he developed a fever and started crying 6 hours after the
shot, and he regressed into autism within 10 days. Another friend of mine
has twin boys who, after receiving their MMR vaccines, also regressed into
autism. Teri Small,
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/elet...7477/1293#88804

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john wrote:
> A friend of mine has a son who never had shown a sign of autism, and they
> have nurses in the family who might have detected such. Within 10 minutes of
> being injected with the MMR vaccine, he had a 104 degree fever and commenced
> incessantly screaming and crying; this lasted 10 hours. The next day he was
> "gone" -- that is, regressed into the condition called autism. They did not
> give her next son the MMR vaccine, and he did not become autistic.
> Unfortunately, her youngest son was accidentally given an MMR vaccine by a
> practitioner; he developed a fever and started crying 6 hours after the
> shot, and he regressed into autism within 10 days. Another friend of mine
> has twin boys who, after receiving their MMR vaccines, also regressed into
> autism. Teri Small,
> http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/elet...7477/1293#88804
>
>
B U L L S H I T.

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>A friend of mine has a son who never had shown a sign of autism,

Yeah, yeah, and the plural of anecdote is data.

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I was under the impression that the autism link was mixed up with a trial
that was done on autistic kids who received the MMR jabs to establish if
there was a link with autism and Crohns due to the MMR vaccine
Am I correct in my thinking, or did I just dream it?

Sarah



"john" <nospamoridiots@vaccine.com> wrote in message
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>A friend of mine has a son who never had shown a sign of autism, and they
> have nurses in the family who might have detected such. Within 10 minutes
> of
> being injected with the MMR vaccine, he had a 104 degree fever and
> commenced
> incessantly screaming and crying; this lasted 10 hours. The next day he
> was
> "gone" -- that is, regressed into the condition called autism. They did
> not
> give her next son the MMR vaccine, and he did not become autistic.
> Unfortunately, her youngest son was accidentally given an MMR vaccine by a
> practitioner; he developed a fever and started crying 6 hours after the
> shot, and he regressed into autism within 10 days. Another friend of mine
> has twin boys who, after receiving their MMR vaccines, also regressed into
> autism. Teri Small,
> http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/elet...7477/1293#88804
>
>

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Said study, by Wakefield, has been totally discredited. Wakefield has major
conflicts of interest problem.


"sarah n mol" <sean@molloymol.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I was under the impression that the autism link was mixed up with a trial
> that was done on autistic kids who received the MMR jabs to establish if
> there was a link with autism and Crohns due to the MMR vaccine
> Am I correct in my thinking, or did I just dream it?
>
> Sarah
>
>
>
> "john" <nospamoridiots@vaccine.com> wrote in message
> news:cpib3c$agn$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> >A friend of mine has a son who never had shown a sign of autism, and they
> > have nurses in the family who might have detected such. Within 10
minutes
> > of
> > being injected with the MMR vaccine, he had a 104 degree fever and
> > commenced
> > incessantly screaming and crying; this lasted 10 hours. The next day he
> > was
> > "gone" -- that is, regressed into the condition called autism. They did
> > not
> > give her next son the MMR vaccine, and he did not become autistic.
> > Unfortunately, her youngest son was accidentally given an MMR vaccine by
a
> > practitioner; he developed a fever and started crying 6 hours after the
> > shot, and he regressed into autism within 10 days. Another friend of
mine
> > has twin boys who, after receiving their MMR vaccines, also regressed
into
> > autism. Teri Small,
> > http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/elet...7477/1293#88804
> >
> >
>
>

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> "john" <nospamoridiots@vaccine.com> wrote in message
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> >A friend of mine has a son who never had shown a sign of autism,
>
> Yeah, yeah, and the plural of anecdote is data.
>
A pity for the kids that we have to scientifically prove something (over
years) that is so obvious to thousands of parents, and even the leading
autism expert, Dr Rimland etc etc, just so folk like you can carry on
poisoning children with a clear conscience for as long as possible

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Is "the leading autism expert" Bernie Rimland the same Bernie Rimland whose been promoting secretin for years? And is he the same Bernie Rimland who patented secretin for autism?

This guy sure gets around.

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john <nospamoridiots@vaccine.com> wrote:
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>"Linz" <spam@nospam.lindsayendell.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>
>> "john" <nospamoridiots@vaccine.com> wrote in message
>> news:cpib3c$agn$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
>> >A friend of mine has a son who never had shown a sign of autism,
>>
>> Yeah, yeah, and the plural of anecdote is data.
>>
> A pity for the kids that we have to scientifically prove something (over
>years) that is so obvious to thousands of parents, and even the leading
>autism expert, Dr Rimland etc etc, just so folk like you can carry on
>poisoning children with a clear conscience for as long as possible

If Rimland is the "leading expert," the cause is clearly lost.

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>
> A pity for the kids that we have to scientifically prove something (over
> years) that is so obvious to thousands of parents, and even the leading
> autism expert, Dr Rimland etc etc, just so folk like you can carry on
> poisoning children with a clear conscience for as long as possible

It was "so obvious" to parents that babies had to be swaddled tightly
so their arms and legs would grow straight. It was "so obvious" to
parents that babies had to be left to cry periodically so they could
exercise their lungs. It was "so obvious" to parents that you could
catch malaria by eating watermelons grown in swampy land. It was "so
obvious" to parents that the best way to get a two-week-old to sleep
is to put rice cereal in their bottles.

I'll take the scientific evidence over what is "so obvious" to random
people that I don't know from Adam, given that "so obvious" things
NOT backed up by scientific evidence are usually a bunch of crap.

Michelle
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Drift as I'm singing to you
I see you smiling, So peaceful and calm
And holding you, I'm smiling, too
Here in my arms, Safe from all harm
Holding you, I'm smiling, too
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john wrote:
> A friend of mine has a son who never had shown a sign of autism, and
they
> have nurses in the family who might have detected such. Within 10
minutes of
> being injected with the MMR vaccine, he had a 104 degree fever and
commenced
> incessantly screaming and crying; this lasted 10 hours.

I have no way of knowing whether what you're posting is true and
complete.

If it is, then I think it's unfair for people here to slam you and
equally unfair for you to blame the MMR for the reaction. Your story
suggests that the MMR was fine but the boys inherited some specific
gene gene that made them particularly vulnerable to the MMR.

If that's true, then doctors should be doing genetic tests to see
whether they can figure out what predisposed the boys to having
problems with the MMR.

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"Michelle J. Haines" <mhaines@nanc.com> wrote in message
>
> I'll take the scientific evidence over what is "so obvious" to random
> people that I don't know from Adam, given that "so obvious" things
> NOT backed up by scientific evidence are usually a bunch of crap.
>

Cawadias (1953) has said that "the history of medicine has shown that,
whenever medicine has strayed from clinical observation, the result has been
chaos, stagnation, and disaster."--British Medical Journal, Oct 8th, 1955,
p.867 (Quoted in Clinical Medical Discoveries by Beddow Bayly)

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"vaccines contribute to autism in some small
subset or very unusual circumstance."

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> "Linz" <spam@nospam.lindsayendell.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:cpk32n$9jg$1@fiasco.xenopsyche.net...
>>
>> "john" <nospamoridiots@vaccine.com> wrote in message
>> news:cpib3c$agn$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
>> >A friend of mine has a son who never had shown a sign of autism,
>>
>> Yeah, yeah, and the plural of anecdote is data.
>>
> A pity for the kids that we have to scientifically prove something (over
> years) that is so obvious to thousands of parents, and even the leading
> autism expert, Dr Rimland etc etc, just so folk like you can carry on
> poisoning children with a clear conscience for as long as possible
>
>

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>
> john wrote:
> > A friend of mine has a son who never had shown a sign of autism, and
> they
> > have nurses in the family who might have detected such. Within 10
> minutes of
> > being injected with the MMR vaccine, he had a 104 degree fever and
> commenced
> > incessantly screaming and crying; this lasted 10 hours.
>
> I have no way of knowing whether what you're posting is true and
> complete.
>
> If it is, then I think it's unfair for people here to slam you

If you knew John, like we know John, you would never say that, unless, of
course, you love dead children.

and
> equally unfair for you to blame the MMR for the reaction. Your story
> suggests that the MMR was fine but the boys inherited some specific
> gene gene that made them particularly vulnerable to the MMR.
>
> If that's true, then doctors should be doing genetic tests to see
> whether they can figure out what predisposed the boys to having
> problems with the MMR.
>

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> "vaccines contribute to autism in some small
> subset or very unusual circumstance."

In your dreams

"The conclusion of the research report was: Children who received all of
the AAP recommended vaccinations were 14 times more likely to become
learning disabled and 8 times more likely to become autistic compared with
children who were never vaccinated. Donald Meserlian, P.E., VOSI Chairman &
ASTM Member March 2002
"Dr. Singh reported his own anecdotal survey of apparently vaccine-injured
children with regressive autism. He found that 93% of cases had autistic
symptoms shortly after vaccinations. Of these, 52% were post-MMR, 8% post
MMR and DPT, and 33% post-DPT. Just 7% were not linked by the parents to any
vaccination. He acknowledged that the survey was non-scientific."--David
Thrower http://www.whale.to/vaccine/mmr49.html

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>Just 7% were not linked by the parents to any vaccination.

So really he was just reporting which vacs the parents blame for their
childrens problems. That's not the same as scientifically proving a link.

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nospamoridiots@vaccine.com says...
>
> "Michelle J. Haines" <mhaines@nanc.com> wrote in message
> >
> > I'll take the scientific evidence over what is "so obvious" to random
> > people that I don't know from Adam, given that "so obvious" things
> > NOT backed up by scientific evidence are usually a bunch of crap.
> >
>
> Cawadias (1953) has said that "the history of medicine has shown that,
> whenever medicine has strayed from clinical observation, the result has been
> chaos, stagnation, and disaster."--British Medical Journal, Oct 8th, 1955,
> p.867 (Quoted in Clinical Medical Discoveries by Beddow Bayly)

"Clinical observation" != "parents think it's obvious"

Michelle
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Drift as I'm singing to you
I see you smiling, So peaceful and calm
And holding you, I'm smiling, too
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Holding you, I'm smiling, too
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> In article <cpm6o5$ent$1@titan.btinternet.com>,
> nospamoridiots@vaccine.com says...
> >
> > "Michelle J. Haines" <mhaines@nanc.com> wrote in message
> > >
> > > I'll take the scientific evidence over what is "so obvious" to random
> > > people that I don't know from Adam, given that "so obvious" things
> > > NOT backed up by scientific evidence are usually a bunch of crap.
> > >
> >
> > Cawadias (1953) has said that "the history of medicine has shown that,
> > whenever medicine has strayed from clinical observation, the result has
been
> > chaos, stagnation, and disaster."--British Medical Journal, Oct 8th,
1955,
> > p.867 (Quoted in Clinical Medical Discoveries by Beddow Bayly)
>
> "Clinical observation" != "parents think it's obvious"

John does not understand !=

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>"Derick Burns" <news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote in message
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>> "vaccines contribute to autism in some small
>> subset or very unusual circumstance."
>
>In your dreams
>
> "The conclusion of the research report was: Children who received all of
>the AAP recommended vaccinations were 14 times more likely to become
>learning disabled and 8 times more likely to become autistic compared with
>children who were never vaccinated. Donald Meserlian, P.E., VOSI Chairman &
>ASTM Member March 2002

Meserlian is an engineer whose specialty is, as best I can determine,
the properties of anti-slip flooring. His "research report" is a
meaningless mish-mash of garbage and is primarily based on a
not-at-all scientific survey that I gather he did at his church.

>"Dr. Singh reported his own anecdotal survey of apparently vaccine-injured
>children with regressive autism. He found that 93% of cases had autistic
>symptoms shortly after vaccinations. Of these, 52% were post-MMR, 8% post
>MMR and DPT, and 33% post-DPT. Just 7% were not linked by the parents to any
>vaccination. He acknowledged that the survey was non-scientific."--David
>Thrower http://www.whale.to/vaccine/mmr49.html

As well he might.

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"the survey was non-scientific."

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>
> "Derick Burns" <news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote in message
> news:jqzvd.94$6f4.5016@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
>> "vaccines contribute to autism in some small
>> subset or very unusual circumstance."
>
> In your dreams
>
> "The conclusion of the research report was: Children who received all of
> the AAP recommended vaccinations were 14 times more likely to become
> learning disabled and 8 times more likely to become autistic compared with
> children who were never vaccinated. Donald Meserlian, P.E., VOSI Chairman
> &
> ASTM Member March 2002
> "Dr. Singh reported his own anecdotal survey of apparently vaccine-injured
> children with regressive autism. He found that 93% of cases had autistic
> symptoms shortly after vaccinations. Of these, 52% were post-MMR, 8% post
> MMR and DPT, and 33% post-DPT. Just 7% were not linked by the parents to
> any
> vaccination. He acknowledged that the survey was non-scientific."--David
> Thrower http://www.whale.to/vaccine/mmr49.html
>
>

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> "the survey was non-scientific."

http://www.whale.to/a/studies_q.html

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Well personally I would still want my kids to have the MMR jab and avoid the
associated risks of the diseases themselves.
The % of kids with learning difficulties, deafness, meningitis etc after
contracting measles for instance, must be much higher than the risk of
autism.

Sarah


"john" <nospamoridiots@vaccine.com> wrote in message
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>A friend of mine has a son who never had shown a sign of autism, and they
> have nurses in the family who might have detected such. Within 10 minutes
> of
> being injected with the MMR vaccine, he had a 104 degree fever and
> commenced
> incessantly screaming and crying; this lasted 10 hours. The next day he
> was
> "gone" -- that is, regressed into the condition called autism. They did
> not
> give her next son the MMR vaccine, and he did not become autistic.
> Unfortunately, her youngest son was accidentally given an MMR vaccine by a
> practitioner; he developed a fever and started crying 6 hours after the
> shot, and he regressed into autism within 10 days. Another friend of mine
> has twin boys who, after receiving their MMR vaccines, also regressed into
> autism. Teri Small,
> http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/elet...7477/1293#88804
>
>

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> Well personally I would still want my kids to have the MMR jab and avoid
the
> associated risks of the diseases themselves.
> The % of kids with learning difficulties, deafness, meningitis etc after
> contracting measles for instance, must be much higher than the risk of
> autism.
>
> Sarah
>

Not when you look into it, they have never shown measles vaccine reduced
measles deaths or disability one little bit!
http://www.whale.to/m/quotes19.html

I can't recall anyone in my day (50's) being blighted by measles or even
worried about it (I gave it to my school of 100 kids)but now nearly every
kid is affected by vaccination--if not now (you can't see the hidden
effect), not long in the future.

You always hear from vaccine proponents someone they know who had measles
deafness or eye damage but that could have been prevented with nutritional
medicine which they refuse to use--which tells you something about
vaccinators---and now over 50% of measles deaths are in vaccinated kids, so
it is a myth to think the vaccine would protect them--you can see the farce
with meningitis vaccine. And autism is a lot worse than any disability
measles could come up with

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> "sarah n mol" <sean@molloymol.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:cpppfs$5i3$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> Well personally I would still want my kids to have the MMR jab and avoid
> the
>> associated risks of the diseases themselves.
>> The % of kids with learning difficulties, deafness, meningitis etc after
>> contracting measles for instance, must be much higher than the risk of
>> autism.
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>
> Not when you look into it, they have never shown measles vaccine reduced
> measles deaths or disability one little bit!
> http://www.whale.to/m/quotes19.html
>
> I can't recall anyone in my day (50's) being blighted by measles or even
> worried about it (I gave it to my school of 100 kids)but now nearly every
> kid is affected by vaccination--if not now (you can't see the hidden
> effect), not long in the future.
>
> You always hear from vaccine proponents someone they know who had measles
> deafness or eye damage but that could have been prevented with nutritional
> medicine which they refuse to use--which tells you something about
> vaccinators---and now over 50% of measles deaths are in vaccinated kids,
> so
> it is a myth to think the vaccine would protect them--you can see the
> farce
> with meningitis vaccine. And autism is a lot worse than any disability
> measles could come up with

Sorry but we've just had the first outbreak of measles in York for many many
years and as a result we now have several children damaged for life.
Pregnant women's unborn children have been affected by Rubella recently.
This trend is rising in our area and people are concerned. As well we should
be.
The biggest laugh for me was parents holding measles parties so their
children could be naturally immunised.
All my kids were vaccinated before anyone was aware there were any potential
problems. All my childrens friends and my friends children have also been
vaccinated, and not a single one developed signs of problems then or since.
But within days of a measles outbreak we have children seriously ill in
hospital.

Sarah

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> If that's true, then doctors should be doing genetic tests
> to see
> whether they can figure out what predisposed the boys to
> having
> problems with the MMR.

Yeah - that's it.

We'll just do "genetic tests" and clear the whole mess up.
You're probably one of those people who think that an
unknown substance can commonly be "sent to the lab" and
readily identified. I wouldn't be surprised to find that you
also go to the doc to "get checked for everything".

What are you thinking?

Is it that you think no one is looking into genetic (and
environmental, and toxic, and psychological) triggers for
autism? Or is it that you think we know about these genes
but just fail to test for them?

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sarah n mol wrote:
> Well personally I would still want my kids to have the MMR
> jab and
> avoid the associated risks of the diseases themselves.
> The % of kids with learning difficulties, deafness,
> meningitis etc
> after contracting measles for instance, must be much
> higher than the
> risk of autism.
>
> Sarah

I think you will fid that any marker for going to the doctor
more often (like being vaccinated) is positively associated
with receiving just about any diagnosis. Funny that.

--
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