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The American Dream Slipping Away from the Middle Class

Commentary by Frosty Wooldridge

October 25, 2004

In 1979, American meat packing plant workers earned $17.10 per hour with
benefits doing the jobs that Americans, today, reportedly, “won’t do.”
In 2004, illegal aliens fill the same jobs at $9.00 an hour with no
benefits. They work the jobs that Americans won’t do! Because of
indentured servitude wages, they also live 20 to a house and park five
cars to a yard!

However, they’re moving into trades Americans used to do. With an added
three million illegal aliens crossing our borders annually according to
Time Magazine, September 12, 2004, “Who Left the Door Open?” there won’t
be any jobs Americans “won’t do”—because there won’t be any jobs left
that American middle class workers can do.

In Business Week’s May report, “Working and Poor,” by Michelle Conlin
and Aaron Berstein, “In today’s cutthroat job market, the bottom rung is
as high as most workers will ever get.”

Edward Plesniak, 36, lost his $10.68 an hour union job as a janitor when
the contractor hired illegal alien labor. Plesniak earns $6.00 an hour
with no benefits as a floor waxer.

As globalization quickens, the unskilled American worker suffers growing
obstacles for a living wage. Not only is he competing with one million
legal aliens added to the workforce annually in America, he/she must
contend with three million illegal alien workers. Plesniak suffers with
millions of Americans. That doesn’t include the 15 million unemployed
Americans! It’s an aspect of Third World Momentum.

More distressing, America’s trades stomach an endless invasion of
‘willing workers’ depressing wages while taking jobs away from Americans
across the board. Where are they coming from? “Some estimate as many
as 95 percent of dry wall tapers represented by Chicago’s painter’s
union are Mexican,” Geoff Dougherty, Chicago Tribune, reported. “They
come from El Fresnito, Mexico.”

Chicago’s unions serving bricklayers and carpenters are being taken over
by Mexicans living in this country, illegally. What has it done to
Mexico’s towns? “The main problem is disintegrating families,” said
Humberto Alvarez, president of the county of El Fresnito. “We see
addiction, dropouts and other problems. The moment the father leaves,
the family breaks down.”

While Mexico slathers itself in political grease via Vicente Fox’s
inability to dislodge the corrupt, aristocratic upper class (he’s one of
them), Fox sends 9.2 million of his poorest countrymen into America to
grab the American Dream right out of the hands of Middle Class workers.
His plan works, too. Fox’s drone workers return $15 billion annually
which is the second leading revenue for his nation’s coffers. All
totaled, illegals send $56 billion back to home countries annually. In
the meantime, America’s Middle Class spends $7.4 billion educating an
estimated 1.3 million illegal alien children. Additionally, Americans
pay for health care, free lunch programs, housing assistance and
language classes. Furthermore, American taxpayers contend with the $120
billion annual drug trade crossing over Mexico’s borders, aided by their
military, which addicts millions of American kids. Not a bad deal for
Fox and Mexico’s ruling class.

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/article_10399.shtml

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johnny@. wrote:
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> Edward Plesniak, 36, lost his $10.68 an hour union job as a janitor when
> the contractor hired illegal alien labor. Plesniak earns $6.00 an hour
> with no benefits as a floor waxer.


$10.00/hr for a janitor? The $6.00/hr he gets now is more like a
reasonable wage for sweeping floors.

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Osama Bin Kerry wrote:
> johnny@. wrote:
>
>>
>> Edward Plesniak, 36, lost his $10.68 an hour union job as a janitor
>> when the contractor hired illegal alien labor. Plesniak earns $6.00
>> an hour with no benefits as a floor waxer.

>
>
> $10.00/hr for a janitor? The $6.00/hr he gets now is more like a
> reasonable wage for sweeping floors.


Unions were created because of people like you. You would have everyone
you consider inferior or of less intelligence than you, working for six
dollars an hour.

You need to get off your lazy ass and do some manual labor. I'm sure
you think digging ditches is only worth six dollars an hour. Well get
out and dig a ditch for eight hours, and then tell me how much you think
it is worth.

Everyone can't be a genuis like you and sit on their ass and make a good
living, but when a man goes out and does the best he can do, he deserves
a salary he can live on. If employers and people like you could see
this, there wouldn't be any need for unions.

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johnny@. wrote:
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> You need to get off your lazy ass and do some manual labor.


Been there, done that. Manual labor is good for a person. Sitting in an
office every day will kill you.

> I'm sure you think digging ditches is only worth six dollars an hour. Well get
> out and dig a ditch for eight hours, and then tell me how much you think
> it is worth.


It's worth whatever supply and demand says it is worth, not what phony
price a union makes up.

>
> Everyone can't be a genuis like you and sit on their ass and make a good
> living, but when a man goes out and does the best he can do, he deserves
> a salary he can live on. If employers and people like you could see
> this, there wouldn't be any need for unions.


So let's pay Mike $30/hr for sweeping floors because he's a good Joe
with a family. That logic is exactly why a lot of jobs have gone
offshore or are done by immigrants who know there is no such thing as a
free lunch.

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johnny@. wrote:
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> You need to get off your lazy ass and do some manual labor.


Been there, done that. Manual labor is good for a person. Sitting in an
office every day will kill you.

> I'm sure you think digging ditches is only worth six dollars an hour. Well get
> out and dig a ditch for eight hours, and then tell me how much you think
> it is worth.


It's worth whatever supply and demand says it is worth, not what phony
price a union makes up.

>
> Everyone can't be a genuis like you and sit on their ass and make a good
> living, but when a man goes out and does the best he can do, he deserves
> a salary he can live on. If employers and people like you could see
> this, there wouldn't be any need for unions.


So let's pay Mike $30/hr for sweeping floors because he's a good Joe
with a family. That logic is exactly why a lot of jobs have gone
offshore or are done by immigrants who know there is no such thing as a
free lunch.

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>From: Osama Bin Kerry obk@osama.net

>
>johnny@. wrote:
>>
>> You need to get off your lazy ass and do some manual labor.

>
>Been there, done that. Manual labor is good for a person. Sitting in an
>office every day will kill you.
>
>> I'm sure you think digging ditches is only worth six dollars an hour.

>Well get
>> out and dig a ditch for eight hours, and then tell me how much you think
>> it is worth.

>
>It's worth whatever supply and demand says it is worth, not what phony
>price a union makes up.


And what is any job worth when the supply is virtually unlimited?

Any "price" a union demands is "made up" when the union and employer get
together and agree on a price.



>>
>> Everyone can't be a genuis like you and sit on their ass and make a good
>> living, but when a man goes out and does the best he can do, he deserves
>> a salary he can live on. If employers and people like you could see
>> this, there wouldn't be any need for unions.


Make no mistake - Osama is no genuis. And based on his insessent need to decry
unions and those who earn high wages for what he deems to be menial
appointments, he's probably quite jealous.

>So let's pay Mike $30/hr for sweeping floors because he's a good Joe
>with a family. That logic is exactly why a lot of jobs have gone
>offshore or are done by immigrants who know there is no such thing as a
>free lunch.


No the "logic" that caused that is simple corporate greed, and a shortsighted
American populace who have been brainwashed into believing cheaper, no matter
how it's accomplished, is always better.

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HaHaHa wrote:
> And what is any job worth when the supply is virtually unlimited?


If what you're getting at is what happens with an infinite supply of
workers, the pay goes down. Anybody cansweep a floor. That's why the pay
is like $5.00/hr. Not everyone can be a doctor, which is why doctors
make more, even without a union.
>
> Make no mistake - Osama is no genuis. And based on his insessent need to decry
> unions and those who earn high wages for what he deems to be menial
> appointments, he's probably quite jealous.
>


Actually, I make more than about 90% in this country and in a
non-unionized occupation. No jealousy, just don't like unions and the
thuggery they represent.

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>From: Osama Bin Kerry obk@osama.net

>
>HaHaHa wrote:
>> And what is any job worth when the supply is virtually unlimited?

>
>If what you're getting at is what happens with an infinite supply of
>workers, the pay goes down. Anybody cansweep a floor. That's why the pay
>is like $5.00/hr. Not everyone can be a doctor, which is why doctors
>make more, even without a union.


Let's forget for a moment the thousands of doctors and dentists and other
healthcare professionals who've now formed unions...
"Anybody" cannot sweep a floor. If one needs floors swept and there is no one
to hire, the pay for sweeping floors will rise. The skillset required remains
static.

Therefore, in a supply-demand society, it is not only skillset which determines
wages.

>>
>> Make no mistake - Osama is no genuis. And based on his insessent need to

>decry
>> unions and those who earn high wages for what he deems to be menial
>> appointments, he's probably quite jealous.
>>

>
>Actually, I make more than about 90% in this country and in a
>non-unionized occupation.


That's not a great accomplishment considering 1/3 of this country's citizens
are living below poverty level.

> No jealousy, just don't like unions and the thuggery they represent.


It's apparent you just don't like the fact that there are thousands of union
members doing better than you who don't have to work nearly as hard or as long.



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HaHaHa wrote:
> Let's forget for a moment the thousands of doctors and dentists


You have got to be on drugs. There is no union for doctors or dentists
in the USA.

> "Anybody" cannot sweep a floor.


You might have a point. There could be a select few who are too stupid
to accomplish even that simple task. I know a few union 'organizers'
that wiould find that task difficult.

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You don't keep up with current events too well do you? Not only do they now
have a union they also have the AMA to lobby exclusive laws for them. Pretty
much like those other unionizing "thugs" you worry so much about. And I don't
blame them. Unions are a good thing.


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> HaHaHa wrote:
>> Let's forget for a moment the thousands of doctors and dentists

>
> You have got to be on drugs. There is no union for doctors or dentists in
> the USA.
>
>> "Anybody" cannot sweep a floor.

>
> You might have a point. There could be a select few who are too stupid to
> accomplish even that simple task. I know a few union 'organizers' that
> wiould find that task difficult.



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>From: Osama Bin Kerry obk@osama.net

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>HaHaHa wrote:
>> Let's forget for a moment the thousands of doctors and dentists

>
>You have got to be on drugs. There is no union for doctors or dentists
>in the USA.


Apparently you are.

>
>> "Anybody" cannot sweep a floor.

>
>You might have a point. There could be a select few who are too stupid
>to accomplish even that simple task. I know a few union 'organizers'
>that wiould find that task difficult.


Since you can't seem to backup your issues to any degree of success, you seem
to choose to eliminate them from the discussion.

Welcome to the killfile.

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MICHAEL LEGEL wrote:
> You don't keep up with current events too well do you? Not only do they now
> have a union they also have the AMA to lobby exclusive laws for them. Pretty
> much like those other unionizing "thugs" you worry so much about. And I don't
> blame them. Unions are a good thing.


What union? The only organization I know that has anythiong to do with
doctors is the AMA and that is not a union.

When's the last time there was a doctor's strike?

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....seems like there's a lot 'o stuff you don't know much about.
Thankfully that doesn't keep you from spewing crap that helps us make
our point.




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Osama Bin Kerry wrote:
> MICHAEL LEGEL wrote:
>
>> You don't keep up with current events too well do you? Not only do
>> they now have a union they also have the AMA to lobby exclusive laws
>> for them. Pretty much like those other unionizing "thugs" you worry
>> so much about. And I don't blame them. Unions are a good thing.

>
>
> What union? The only organization I know that has anythiong to do with
> doctors is the AMA and that is not a union.
>
> When's the last time there was a doctor's strike?

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"Osama Bin Kerry" <obk@osama.net> wrote in message
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> MICHAEL LEGEL wrote:
>> You don't keep up with current events too well do you? Not only do they
>> now have a union they also have the AMA to lobby exclusive laws for them.
>> Pretty much like those other unionizing "thugs" you worry so much about.
>> And I don't blame them. Unions are a good thing.

>
> What union? The only organization I know that has anythiong to do with
> doctors is the AMA and that is not a union.
>
> When's the last time there was a doctor's strike?


A "strike" is only one of many effective means to influence an employers' will
to negotiate. In fact, most intelligent people believe the strike is the tool
of absolute last resort, much like sending our nations' troops to war. Of
course the strike is all that you worry about because that is the only
opportunity you have to scab a picket line and try to steal someone else's
job.


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"Osama Bin Kerry" <obk@osama.net> wrote in message
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> MICHAEL LEGEL wrote:
> > You don't keep up with current events too well do you? Not only do they

now
> > have a union they also have the AMA to lobby exclusive laws for them.

Pretty
> > much like those other unionizing "thugs" you worry so much about. And I

don't
> > blame them. Unions are a good thing.

>
> What union? The only organization I know that has anythiong to do with
> doctors is the AMA and that is not a union.


Have a look sport.

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The Bush gov't is helping the NEW WORLD ORDER bunch make America a 3rd
world nation. While Americans bicker with each other and stay afraid to
stand up for themselves [together] in public,no matter what the cost,
then welcome to tieriny and slavery. Like Kruschev said, America will be
defeated from within without firing a shot!

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What will the job stealers do when machines take their jobs?

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Are you happy with your take home pay?

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I bet Osama sill lives at home with mom and pop. Silverspooner!

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If there is no free lunch,why are there expense accounts for you office
pukes? I realize allot of you make no money at all but go heavy into
credit debt just to have the affluent look,car and apt. etc. The ones
that don't backstab their way to the top end up being those $6.00/hr
janitors with no benefits. You think they thought they were worth more?
Or is there a God after all?

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PASHA52 wrote:
> Are you happy with your take home pay?
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Yes. I do very well, thank you.

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PASHA52 wrote:
> I bet Osama sill lives at home with mom and pop. Silverspooner!
>

If you mean me, no I don't. I live with my wife in a home I own in a
nice part of the country. That home is paid for, no mortgage since
1993. My paycheck places me well into the top 10% of wage earners in the
US, without the unions putting their hands in my pockets. I have the
money to do essentially whatever I want.

Since you are posting from a webtv account, you are probably posting
from a trailer park somewhere in Kansas.

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